Political Compass 2015

[smokedout]

...but I don't see how state control of production to fight for global imperial domination and racial supremacy can be classified as "left wing" - it's a daft categorisation.

is it BNP policy to fight for global imperial domination?

 

[smokedout]

or Blairs?

 

[articul8]

is it BNP policy to fight for global imperial domination?

you don't think they see themselves as a master race, with all that implies for non-aryan populations?

 

[butchersapron]

Assuming my scenario of the nats and labour left pulling the programme to the left fails - (especially if it doesn't even get the chance owing to Labour failing to be the largest party) - there will be major battles ahead and the question of a left break from the party will be posed.

Again, like you say before every single election. Like fantasists like you have said since 1951. And you always say after the election is won or lost that now is not the time to break, we need to get rid of the tories first, or we need to fight to force a left-wing program on the leaders in govt. Posing is the right word. Well done on getting that bit correct.

Look, now you're reduced to the classic far-right position of a tiny group holding power due to the electoral situation. It's pure fantasy land.

 

[smokedout]

do you think the BNP are nazis?

 

[articul8]

do you think the BNP are nazis?

yes, although they spent a while trying to persuade people otherwise

 

[articul8]

Again, like you say before every single election. Like fantasists like you have said since 1951. And you always say after the election is won or lost that now is not the time to break, we need to get rid of the tories first, or we need to fight to force a left-wing program on the leaders in govt. Posing is the right word. Well done on getting that bit correct.

Look, now you're reduced to the classic far-right position of a tiny group holding power due to the electoral situation. It's pure fantasy land.

we'll see - it's not like any left political formation outside Labour is achieving anything significant, unless you count the SNP

 

[smokedout]

yes, although they spent a while trying to persuade people otherwise

what do you base that opinion on?

 

[smokedout]

we'll see - it's not like any left political formation outside Labour is achieving anything significant, unless you count the ones that are

fixed that for you

 

[danny la rouge]

we'll see - it's not like any left political formation outside Labour is achieving anything significant, unless you count the SNP

How do you measure "achievement"?

 

[articul8]

fixed that for you

so you count the Scot nats as a "left" formation - interesting...and you justify this how....?

 

[smokedout]

economically to the left of labour wouldn't you say?

 

[articul8]

economically to the left of labour wouldn't you say?

in their manifesto, yes. But in their role in Holyrood much less so - cutting corporation tax, putting public services out to tender, implementing cuts...

 

[smokedout]

in their manifesto, yes. But in their role in Holyrood much less so - cutting corporation tax, putting public services out to tender, implementing cuts...

all that and still they are to the left of Labour, you must feel very ashamed

 

[Dogsauce]

Bored of polital compass and especially some idiot on my facebook discovering it every six months and having a fucking epiphany.

I reckon we could have a new one with axis for cuntishness and insincerity and place political figures on that instead.

 

[articul8]

How do you measure "achievement"?

electoral success is one metric, but also building a platform likely to attract significant new layers of support, building credibility in local communities, building support for direct action, etc.

 

[articul8]

all that and still they are to the left of Labour, you must feel very ashamed

Angry is what I feel, at the stupidity and complacency of the leadership

 

[killer b]

in their manifesto, yes. But in their role in Holyrood much less so - cutting corporation tax, putting public services out to tender, implementing cuts...

how is labour to the left of all that?

 

[smokedout]

lol, Miliband is trembling

 

[cesare]

Angry is what I feel, at the stupidity and complacency of the leadership

At what point do you call it a day and accept you're not going to change them?

 

[articul8]

At what point do you call it a day and accept you're not going to change them?

good question - when I can see no feasible scenario where any sort of significant pressure can be exerted, or when significant sections of the organised working class fundamentally comes to reject any identification with them. I do wonder if I could stomach being in the Scottish Labour Party - there are literally one or two Scottish Labour MPs I'd like to see returned but the rest of them richly deserve what they're likely to get

 

[cesare]

good question - when I can see no feasible scenario where any sort of significant pressure can be exerted, or when significant sections of the organised working class fundamentally comes to reject any identification with them. I do wonder if I could stomach being in the Scottish Labour Party - there are literally one or two Scottish Labour MPs I'd like to see returned but the rest of them richly deserve what they're likely to get

What feasible scenario do you see at the moment, that's keeping you there?

 

[danny la rouge]

but also building a platform likely to attract significant new layers of support, building credibility in local communities, building support for direct action, etc.

Is the Labour left doing any of that?

I'm not seeing anything at all here. This is a Labour seat. None of that is happening here. Only HQ mailshots with photos of Gordon Brown. (Poor Jim Murphy has been ditched).

 

[articul8]

What feasible scenario do you see at the moment, that's keeping you there?

some (a minority of course but still) of the new candidates are less likely to be lobby fodder, and a minority government could see a group of 20-30 left MPs have some influence...

 

[smokedout]

good question - when I can see no feasible scenario where any sort of significant pressure can be exerted,

so never then, because you will always see a feasible scenario where YOU can exert significant power and you will still always be ignored. it's sort of sad really.

 

[cesare]

some (a minority of course but still) of the new candidates are less likely to be lobby fodder, and a minority government could see a group of 20-30 left MPs have some influence...

I can't remember the name of that leftie group now that insists that change will only come from within the Labour Party (someone help me out) I think there's about 4 of them. Have you thought of joining forces with them?

 

[articul8]

Is the Labour left doing any of that?

I'm not seeing anything at all here. This is a Labour seat. None of that is happening here. Only HQ mailshots with photos of Gordon Brown. (Poor Jim Murphy has been ditched).

I'm as frustrated with the Labour left as I am with the rest of the left! There needs to be some vehicle - inside and/or outside - that does that far more effectively, and coordinates local actions/resistance but democratically, not like the Peoples Assembly tried to do.

 

[killer b]

I can't remember the name of that leftie group now that insists that change will only come from within the Labour Party (someone help me out) I think there's about 4 of them. Have you thought of joining forces with them?

Socialist Appeal?

 

[DotCommunist]

I can't remember the name of that leftie group now that insists that change will only come from within the Labour Party (someone help me out) I think there's about 4 of them. Have you thought of joining forces with them?

Socialist Campaign ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Campaign_Group

 

[danny la rouge]

I'm as frustrated with the Labour left as I am with the rest of the left! There needs to be some vehicle - inside and/or outside - that does that far more effectively, and coordinates local actions/resistance but democratically, not like the Peoples Assembly tried to do.

So, not only is the Labour leadership offering nothing useful, the promise that the Labour left might achieve something is by your own admission unlikely.