Political Compass 2015

[articul8]

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articul8 perhaps you could point to a bnp publication of the last 15 years which refers to aryans.

that doesn't mean that nazi ideology isn't the motivation - of course they recognised it wasn't a vote winner!

 

[Pickman's model]

that doesn't mean that nazi ideology isn't the motivation - of course they recognised it wasn't a vote winner!

nice to see you admit you were talking bollocks a few minutes ago. now you've admitted you've a problem you can start to deal with it.

 

[articul8]

nice to see you admit you were talking bollocks a few minutes ago. now you've admitted you've a problem you can start to deal with it.

No, I never said they were openly advocating nazi ideas, but that they were ideologically motivated in that direction.

 

[Pickman's model]

right. now, what you're saying here ^^ is that the bnp see themselves as aryans, otherwise you wouldn't counterpose non-aryans. i have asked you to provide some evidence of this aryan self-image, which you've signally failed to provide. could it be you're talking shit? or could it be that you don't know how to use the internet? or could it be something else? come on, articul8, show us what you can do to extricate yourself.

 

[Pickman's model]

No, I never said they were openly advocating nazi ideas, but that they were ideologically motivated in that direction.

and now what you're saying is that they are covertly advocating nazi ideas. which nazi ideas are these? are they from the auld 20 point programme? or are they from somewhere else? if the latter, where are they from?

 

[articul8]

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right. now, what you're saying here ^^ is that the bnp see themselves as aryans, otherwise you wouldn't counterpose non-aryans. i have asked you to provide some evidence of this aryan self-image, which you've signally failed to provide. could it be you're talking shit? or could it be that you don't know how to use the internet? or could it be something else? come on, articul8, show us what you can do to extricate yourself.

two second google-search finds:
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co....ds-family-and-spared-aryan-daughter-1-6220421

a BNP member, told police he had spared Amelia because she was ‘Aryan’ and had superior DNA.

 

[Pickman's model]

two second google-search finds:
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co....ds-family-and-spared-aryan-daughter-1-6220421

that doesn't look like a bnp document to me. you might as well say that because one labour party member espouses socialism they all do.

 

[articul8]

that doesn't look like a bnp document to me. you might as well say that because one labour party member espouses socialism they all do.

Of course they wouldn't publish public documents about aryan supremacy - but its clearly part of the ideological basis of their movement (just as there's a socialist legacy that's still actively present in the Labour party even though it's not often publicly avowed )

 

[Pickman's model]

Of course they wouldn't publish public documents about aryan supremacy - but its clearly part of the ideological basis of their movement (just as there's a socialist legacy that's still actively present in the Labour party even though it's not often publicly avowed )

so what you're saying here is you cannot prove what you assert.

 

[articul8]

so what you're saying here is you cannot prove what you assert.

Until they definitively, categorically and authentically disavow the nazi tradition (we'll have a long wait for that) it's safer to assume this is still where they're coming from, even if they have to adopt a different public face for tactical purposes

 

[Pickman's model]

Until they definitively, categorically and authentically disavow the nazi tradition (we'll have a long wait for that) it's safer to assume this is still where they're coming from, even if they have to adopt a different public face for tactical purposes

you made a claim. you aren't proving it. perhaps it's time for you to do something else.

 

[articul8]

My claim was that it's laughable to argue that Labour is to the right of the BNP on economics.

 

[chilango]

My claim was that it's laughable to argue that Labour is to the right of the BNP on economics.

It not laughable though, is it? It's got at least an element of truth in it.

 

[Pickman's model]

My claim was that it's laughable to argue that Labour is to the right of the BNP on economics.

another failure for you. don't you get sad sometimes, coming here and showing you're a failure every time?

 

[articul8]

It not laughable though, is it? It's got at least an element of truth in it.

I don't see how - only if you believe a somewhat neoliberalised version of social democracy is to the right of a ethnically exclusivist nationalistic/fascistic control of production.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't see how - only if you believe a somewhat neoliberalised version of social democracy is to the right of a ethnically exclusivist nationalistic/fascistic control of production.

if 'left' means 'support for collective ownership' and 'right' means 'support for private ownership' then the labour party is well to the right of the bnp economically.

 

[articul8]

another failure for you. don't you get sad sometimes, coming here and showing you're a failure every time?

haven't you got a dead cop to knock one out over?

 

[Pickman's model]

haven't you got a dead cop to knock one out over?

it always comes back to this when you can't put up an argument. and you always look feeble for saying it.

 

[articul8]

if 'left' means 'support for collective ownership' and 'right' means 'support for private ownership' then the labour party is well to the right of the bnp economically.

i don't accept your definition - there are reactionary forms of collective ownership and relatively less reactionary forms of social market economy

 

[Pickman's model]

i don't accept your definition - there are reactionary forms of collective ownership and relatively less reactionary forms of social market economy

if 'left' (in a british context) means support for nationalisation and 'right' means support for privatisation, would you say the labour party is left or right?

 

[chilango]

I don't see how - only if you believe a somewhat neoliberalised version of social democracy is to the right of a ethnically exclusivist nationalistic/fascistic control of production.

Can you please point us towards some social democratic economic policies that a Labour government would implement?

Coz all I can recall is rampaging neo-liberal, free market stuff.

 

[articul8]

Can you please point us towards some social democratic economic policies that a Labour government would implement?

Coz all I can recall is rampaging neo-liberal, free market stuff.

did earlier - mansion tax

 

[articul8]

if 'left' (in a british context) means support for nationalisation and 'right' means support for privatisation, would you say the labour party is left or right?

Can't you read?
i don't accept your definition - there are reactionary forms of collective ownership and relatively less reactionary forms of social market economy

 

[chilango]

did earlier - mansion tax

Is that it?

 

[articul8]

Is that it?

it's an example - it's not neoliberal to tax wealth, it's social democratic

 

[chilango]

it's an example - it's not neoliberal to tax wealth, it's social democratic

What about nationalising utilities?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I wasn't comparing their capacity, but the source of many of their ideological influences

Which are...?

 

[articul8]

What about nationalising utilities?

I think they should - they've taken a possible baby step towards renationalising the railways, in letting public sector bid for franchises - means that private sector operators could be phased out as each franchise expires (in theory at least, although they'll argue that phasing out franchising is against EU procurement law)

 

[Pickman's model]

Can't you read?
i don't accept your definition - there are reactionary forms of collective ownership and relatively less reactionary forms of social market economy

can you name a nationalised british industry which is or was a reactionary form of collective ownership?

 

[ViolentPanda]

two second google-search finds:
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co....ds-family-and-spared-aryan-daughter-1-6220421

The spewings of a member doesn't comprise policy or ideology.