Police officer shot dead in Croydon police custody centre, 25th Sept 2020

[Saul Goodman]

Bollocks. No copper signs up to get murdered.

No Alaskan crab fishermen sign up to get hit with a crab pot and knocked overboard to an icy death, but it happens all too often. I'm not saying I like it or celebrate it but it is a hazard of the job, a hazard they're well aware of when they sign up for it. But I don't think I've ever seen people hailing crab fishermen as heroes.
Some jobs are inherently dangerous. Sometimes people die doing dangerous jobs. It is shit but shit happens.

It's not an uncommon way to carry a firearm (not just something you see on the telly). There's no particular reason that the trigger would get pulled in the normal course of drawing the gun out.

Indeed. If the trigger did catch anything it would be pulling the wrong way, and unless the hammer is cocked, it takes a fair bit of pressure to pull the trigger.

 

[Orang Utan]

i'm at work
this is doing something better with my time

It’s a silly hill to die on, deliberately taking on face value wild speculation that was prefaced with an admission that I’d been watching too much tv

 

[two sheds]

Because guns only go off if the trigger is pulled 100% of the time...

doesn't everyone have a tag on the back of their underwear to hang them up?

 

[Spymaster]

Because guns only go off if the trigger is pulled 100% of the time...

Well yeah, pretty much.

 

[NoXion]

I thought it was standard police procedure to search detainees? The dude got off at least five shots, so that rules out a small derringer-like weapon. A snub-nosed revolver? A small weapon like that might be missed on a purely visual inspection, depending on where it's hidden and the type of clothing worn.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Well yeah, pretty much.

Ironically, guns are actually quite safe.

 

[Pickman's model]

It’s a silly hill to die on, deliberately taking on face value wild speculation that was prefaced with an admission that I’d been watching too much tv

and yet on and on and on you pursued it
let it go

 

[LDC]

Yes I know, I was thinking safety catch on, safety catch off? Ouch

Revolvers generally don't have safety catches.

 

[Pickman's model]

I thought it was standard police procedure to search detainees? The dude got off at least five shots, so that rules out a small derringer-like weapon. A snub-nosed revolver? A small weapon like that might be missed on a purely visual inspection, depending on where it's hidden and the type of clothing worn.

ime you're searched on arrest and it's astonishing that this was missed in any pat-down search where they always - in my experience - check around the belt line

 

[NoXion]

I thought the risk with revolvers was the chance of flicking the hammer and thus setting a round off.

 

[TopCat]

ime you're searched on arrest and it's astonishing that this was missed in any pat-down search where they always - in my experience - check around the belt line

I would have to agree. Plus remove the belt before confining to a cell.

 

[skyscraper101]

Maybe he said he was just pleased to see them and they actually bought it.

 

[Pickman's model]

I would have to agree. Plus remove the belt before confining to a cell.

at which point the dip where the gun was would be obvious and you wouldn't need a metal detector to know which way the wind blew

 

[TopCat]

I thought the risk with revolvers was the chance of flicking the hammer and thus setting a round off.

Some are five shots only with a blank chamber for the hammer to rest against.

 

[TopCat]

But not this one.

 

[LDC]

I thought the risk with revolvers was the chance of flicking the hammer and thus setting a round off.

No.

 

[NoXion]

Some are five shots only with a blank chamber for the hammer to rest against.

Sounds like a feature that's rather dependent on the user remembering to align the blank chamber with the hammer after loading...

 

[Saul Goodman]

I thought the risk with revolvers was the chance of flicking the hammer and thus setting a round off.

It can't really happen without the trigger being pulled. There's an internal safety that lifts the hammer, and stops it hitting the cap unless the trigger is pulled.

 

[Pickman's model]

Some are five shots only with a blank chamber for the hammer to rest against.

i wonder how the banter went, whether yer man went all harry callahan and mused about the number of shots he'd fired.

 

[two sheds]

Revolvers generally don't have safety catches.

ah ok ta - I know less about revolvers than I do about air rifles

revolvers are clearly not for me then

 

[Pickman's model]

ah ok ta - I know less about revolvers than I do about air rifles

revolvers are clearly not for me then

revolvers are for everyone, and usefully they don't eject bullets - reducing the amount of evidence left behind

 

[two sheds]

don't the bullets spin and pick up the markings of the barrel?

 

[Spymaster]

revolvers are for everyone, and usefully they don't eject bullets - reducing the amount of evidence left behind

Shell cases. They'd be pretty useless if they didn't eject bullets.

 

[Pickman's model]

don't the bullets spin and pick up the markings of the barrel?

duh - you're right of course - i meant casings not bullets

 

[Pickman's model]

Shell cases. They'd be pretty useless if they didn't eject bullets.

duh - you're right of course - i meant casings not bullets

 

[Saul Goodman]

revolvers are for everyone, and usefully they don't eject bullets - reducing the amount of evidence left behind

Pretty pointless if they don't eject bullets, I would have thought.
Although not ejecting their shell casings might be handy.
Fuck... Too slow, as usual.

 

[Pickman's model]

don't the bullets spin and pick up the markings of the barrel?

yes, but in most cases where the shooter isn't in custody investigators might have some difficulty tying a person to the crime esp where there is no forensic evidence from the weapon as it's been safely disposed of

 

[Pickman's model]

Pretty pointless if they don't eject bullets, I would have thought.
Although not ejecting their shells might be handy.

as i say above

 

[LDC]

As sure as night follows day this inevitably became a conversation about guns. Good job all.

 

[two sheds]