Police officer shot dead in Croydon police custody centre, 25th Sept 2020

[Ax^]

Come on then people, admit it who hasn't tried it

it would be harder to do with the ridged cuffs the met tend to use

 

[TopCat]

He shot the cop five times in the heart and then himself in the neck. Some shooting from a little revolver with hands in rigid cuffs behind the back.

 

[TopCat]

Little pistols are not known for their accuracy.

 

[LDC]

Little pistols are not known for their accuracy.

Near enough point blank the bullet will go where you point it no problem however little and shit the weapon was, and he wouldn't have used the sights anyway. I'd also take 'shot in the heart' with a bucket of journalistic salt. Chest/torso more likely, maybe with one hitting the heart or thereabouts.

 

[skyscraper101]

So, is there a consensus now that this was some dodgy plod taking out one of their own, and framing some random with a bit of puff?

I mean I guess nothing is impossible but it seems a messy way to go about it.

 

[TopCat]

It seems to me less likely than Smiley Culture stabbing himself in the heart whilst cuffed just up the road from this incident in Warlingham.

 

[TopCat]

So, is there a consensus now that this was some dodgy plod taking out one of their own, and framing some random with a bit of puff?

I mean I guess nothing is impossible but it seems a messy way to go about it.

I dont think that for a minute.

 

[two sheds]

but when that minute's up?

 

[Orang Utan]

Right. An old book. And what's happened in that area to support your suggestions in the intervening sixteen years?

The rot never goes away

 

[Pickman's model]

The rot never goes away

So you don't know

 

[Orang Utan]

So you don't know

See my first post on the matter

 

[Pickman's model]

See my first post on the matter

You're not pointing to anything that's happened in the last 30 years

 

[Orang Utan]

You're not pointing to anything that's happened in the last 30 years

I was making a wild speculation fuelled by watching a ludicrous thriller about corruption in the police force and collusion with gangsters. But in hindsight, I don’t think it’s all that far fetched, considering how corrupt cops are.

 

[MrSki]

I can't see the CCTV that is being studied disappearing. Not in this case. Well I suppose it could be wiped accidentally but unlikely in such a high profile murder.

 

[Pickman's model]

I was making a wild speculation fuelled by watching a ludicrous thriller about corruption in the police force and collusion with gangsters. But in hindsight, I don’t think it’s all that far fetched, considering how corrupt cops are.

You're a 'loon

 

[Pickman's model]

I can't see the CCTV that is being studied disappearing. Not in this case. Well I suppose it could be wiped accidentally but unlikely in such a high profile murder.

The only death in custody to be vigorously investigated

 

[Orang Utan]

You're a 'loon

Who hasn’t read my first post

 

[Pickman's model]

Who hasn’t read my first post

I have read your first post. You claim they're not telling the truth, adducing no evidence to support this statement. You are a 'loon.

 

[Orang Utan]

Dickhead

 

[Artaxerxes]

Its insane enough to be true, reality doesn't need to make much sense, its fiction that has to be rational.

Its just baffling they didn't find the gun before they put him in cuffs, presumably some coppers feeling very guilty right now.

 

[MrSki]

Its insane enough to be true, reality doesn't need to make much sense, its fiction that has to be rational.

Its just baffling they didn't find the gun before they put him in cuffs, presumably some coppers feeling very guilty right now.

Who would have thought someone with class B & AMMO might have a gun?

 

[TopCat]

Its baffling on a number of points.

1. How did the shooter have a pistol on him in the custody centre?
2. How was the shooter able to retrieve and deploy his pistol whilst in rigid cuffs, fastened behind his back whilst being supervised by two arresting officers?
3. How was the shooter able to discharge so many accurate shots without being tackled?

I dont suggest any great conspiracy. But it remains baffling.

 

[DotCommunist]

It seems to me less likely than Smiley Culture stabbing himself in the heart whilst cuffed just up the road from this incident in Warlingham.

this was the other similarly implausible incident that immediately sprung to mind.

now if met handcuffs are like this

rather than the cuffs being linked by a small chain, does that affect ones ability to do whats been suggested happened?

 

[TopCat]

this was the other similarly implausible incident that immediately sprung to mind.

no if met handcuffs are like this

rather than the cuffs being linked by a small chain, does that effect ones ability to do whats been suggested happened?

Met handcuffs are not like that. They are rigid. No flex between the hands.

 

[Pickman's model]

this was the other similarly implausible incident that immediately sprung to mind.

no if met handcuffs are like this

rather than the cuffs being linked by a small chain, does that effect ones ability to do whats been suggested happened?

They generally separate the keys and cuffs by a greater distance

 

[Pickman's model]

Met handcuffs are not like that. They are rigid. No flex between the hands.

And if my experience is typical it's one hand one way and the other the other, not side by side so your hands would be on top of each other behind your back

 

[TopCat]

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[strung out]

Met handcuffs are not like that. They are rigid. No flex between the hands.

Hearing that the arresting officer brought the wrong handcuffs with him to work that day

 

[TopCat]

The cops could have just been tired, lazy, complacent and failed to follow their own procedures.

 

[clicker]

Its baffling on a number of points.

1. How did the shooter have a pistol on him in the custody centre?
2. How was the shooter able to retrieve and deploy his pistol whilst in rigid cuffs, fastened behind his back whilst being supervised by two arresting officers?
3. How was the shooter able to discharge so many accurate shots without being tackled?

I dont suggest any great conspiracy. But it remains baffling.

I read that the man with the gun was in a cell and shot the policeman when he opened the cell door. So it's possible nobody else was near. I didn't realise people in cells would still be handcuffed, but I am purely basing that on Channel 4 programmes . Maybe if the cell was part of the custody suite he'd still be cuffed till booked in though.