PM Boris Johnson - monster thread for a monster twat

[butchersapron]

Um

"Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity."

And what was the poets answer? Fascism. Good call.

As for "You go with no deal and the UK will collapse in every possible way." - drunk on nationalist blood i'm afraid. Pure madness.

 

[Pickman's model]

Who's cracking jokes?

i thought you knew your yeats

 

[Pickman's model]

Lupa
from 'meditations in time of civil war':

 

[Baronage-Phase]

And what was the poets answer? Fascism. Good call.

Isnt it exactly what is happening right now in the UK?

You think that my quote was in favour?

 

[danny la rouge]

anarchy is loosed upon the world,

I’m with the falcons on this one.

 

[Smangus]

Saying nothing is still better than the garbage that comes from anyone that can't say anything without using your kind of filthy language.

I think you need to go hangout on Mumsnet or something, this obviously isn't your natural home .

 

[Baronage-Phase]

i thought you knew your yeats

I never claimed that. I like some of his poems. But he isnt my favourite poet.

 

[butchersapron]

Isnt it exactly what is happening right now in the UK?

You think that my quote was in favour?

I think your use of the quote comes from the tradition of a) aren't the Irish all poets and b) learning a few context free lines school of appreciation.

And no, it's not. That more fanciful nonsense on the lines of "You go with no deal and the UK will collapse in every possible way." If anything, it's use (and what i quoted above) are perfect examples of head-losing that you seem to think you're offering a warning of.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

And what was the poets answer? Fascism. Good call.

As for "You go with no deal and the UK will collapse in every possible way." - drunk on nationalist blood i'm afraid. Pure madness.

Nothing to do with nationalism. You're misrepresenting

 

[brogdale]

Disappointingly, no (pre 1963) SS-100-X was available.

 

[brogdale]

 

[redsquirrel]

Nothing to do with nationalism. You're misrepresenting

No he's not your post (like your previous ones) is rotten with nationalism - the UK wants Brexit, the UK leaving the EU will effect "us" - only countries (represented by heir governments, or sections of their governments) exist. Capital, labour, people all vanished.

 

[Pickman's model]

Disappointingly, no (pre 1963) SS-100-X was available.

in the aulden days people often relied on close quarters assassination

 

[brogdale]

in the aulden days people often relied on close quarters assassination

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Yep, The Narodnaya Volya must be enacted.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

How exactly will the UK cope?
I'm not talking about maintaining the "union"..that may well be the least of their worries.
I'm asking how will ordinary people be affected by the change and how will it impact on their daily life?
Do you think the likes of Boris care about workers rights? Do the tories care about maintaining a minimum wage? Do you think the tories will prevent tax increases? Or could they tell the population they need to tighten their belts while the transition happens? Leaving ordinary people worse off? BJ has no regard for money. To him £250000 is pittance. So...what sort of impact will someone like him with his mindset have on the lives of ordinary working or non working people?
He will have one view...getting out.
Beyond that he will tell everyone to muddle along and that times will be hard bit it will all be worth it in 30 years time.
So a generation or two will suffer for this.

Brexit is the ultimate in nationalism isnt it?

 

[kabbes]

How exactly will the UK cope?
I'm not talking about maintaining the "union"..that may well be the least of their worries.
I'm asking how will ordinary people be affected by the change and how will it impact on their daily life?
Do you think the likes of Boris care about workers rights? Do the tories care about maintaining a minimum wage? Do you think the tories will prevent tax increases? Or could they tell the population they need to tighten their belts while the transition happens? Leaving ordinary people worse off? BJ has no regard for money. To him £250000 is pittance. So...what sort of impact will someone like him with his mindset have on the lives of ordinary working or non working people?
He will have one view...getting out.
Beyond that he will tell everyone to muddle along and that times will be hard bit it will all be worth it in 30 years time.
So a generation or two will suffer for this.

Brexit is the ultimate in nationalism isnt it?

Which of these scenarios do you think is currently prevented from occurring by being in the EU?

 

[Baronage-Phase]

No he's not your post (like your previous ones) is rotten with nationalism - the UK wants Brexit, the UK leaving the EU will effect "us" - only countries (represented by heir governments, or sections of their governments) exist. Capital, labour, people all vanished.

Not sure what you're saying.
What are "heir governments"?

 

[kabbes]

Not sure what you're saying.
What are "heir governments"?

It’s “their governments” with an accidentally missing “t”

 

[butchersapron]

Unfathomable.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not sure what you're saying.
What are "heir governments"?

their governments

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Which of these scenarios do you think is currently prevented from occurring by being in the EU?

I think the eu has a better record on protecting workers rights than the UK ever did. And I'm relating that to the way workers in NI were treated.
The EU has done quite a lot as regards workers rights.
For one...unpaid overtime has been ended by the EU.
European Court of Justice Decision-All Working Hours Must Be Recorded and Unpaid Overtime Ended?

All working hours must be recorded to protect workers rights
https://www.politico.eu/article/all-companies-must-record-staff-working-hours-eu-court-rules/

You may have great faith in the tories I dont know. Do you think their attitude is changed from the days of the miners strikes?

I hope it works out for the UK. But my gut feeling is that Boris and his mottley crew are in it for their mark in the history books.

 

[kabbes]

I think the eu has a better record on protecting workers rights than the UK ever did. And I'm relating that to the way workers in NI were treated.
The EU has done quite a lot as regards workers rights.
For one...unpaid overtime has been ended by the EU.
European Court of Justice Decision-All Working Hours Must Be Recorded and Unpaid Overtime Ended?

All working hours must be recorded to protect workers rights
https://www.politico.eu/article/all-companies-must-record-staff-working-hours-eu-court-rules/

You may have great faith in the tories I dont know. Do you think their attitude is changed from the days of the miners strikes?

I hope it works out for the UK. But my gut feeling is that Boris and his mottley crew are in it for their mark in the history books.

You think that there is now no unpaid overtime in the U.K. then? You think that all working hours are recorded? I’ve a few hundred people in this office that might like a chat with you at 8pm tonight.

Workers rights aren’t granted by the EU and they are not policed by the EU. Neither are they granted or polices by the U.K. government, of whatever colour. They are seized and maintained by the workers themselves.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think the eu has a better record on protecting workers rights than the UK ever did. And I'm relating that to the way workers in NI were treated.
The EU has done quite a lot as regards workers rights.
For one...unpaid overtime has been ended by the EU.
European Court of Justice Decision-All Working Hours Must Be Recorded and Unpaid Overtime Ended?

All working hours must be recorded to protect workers rights
https://www.politico.eu/article/all-companies-must-record-staff-working-hours-eu-court-rules/

You may have great faith in the tories I dont know. Do you think their attitude is changed from the days of the miners strikes?

I hope it works out for the UK. But my gut feeling is that Boris and his mottley crew are in it for their mark in the history books.

you're not saying the eu itself is protecting workers' rights you're not saying the commission or eu parliament are making laws which protect or even improve workers' rights. you're saying that the european court of justice has interpreted the law to mean... which is hardly a great recommendation for the eu if it's an interpretation of existing law rather than the promulgation of new regulations or legislation from the eu rule-making bodies to extend or defend workers' rights.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

You think that there is now no unpaid overtime in the U.K. then? You think that all working hours are recorded? I’ve a few hundred people in this office that might like a chat with you at 8pm tonight.

No. I dont. It happens here too. However, under eu law you have recourse to challenge it and take your employer on. Once the UK leaves the eu will they still have that right?

 

[kabbes]

No. I dont. It happens here too. However, under eu law you have recourse to challenge it and take your employer on. Once the UK leaves the eu will they still have that right?

The right to something that means absolutely zero in practice? The right to have your employer point out that you “willingly” signed away your right to limited hours in your working week and “willingly” signed a contract that says your job is as long as it takes, regardless of what the stated hours are?

I think I’ll somehow manage to live without that right.

 

[butchersapron]

You may live under a bridge too.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

The right to something that means absolutely zero in practice? The right to have your employer point out that you “willingly” signed away your right to limited hours in your working week and “willingly” signed a contract that says your job is as long as it takes, regardless of what the stated hours are?

I think I’ll somehow manage to live without that right.

That's awful.
Have you a union that can fight that?

 

[Proper Tidy]

The faith in the EU as a protector of workers rights baffles me more than any other remainy argument. Like trusting a wolf with a baby

 

[butchersapron]

The faith in the EU as a protector of workers rights baffles me more than any other remainy argument. Like trusting a wolf with a baby

But if you don't leave the baby with the wolf the UK will collapse in every possible way!!!

 

[Baronage-Phase]

The faith in the EU as a protector of workers rights baffles me more than any other remainy argument. Like trusting a wolf with a baby

I'm probably coming from a different perspective to you.