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Paramilitary Style Group Protests In Luton

smokedout said:
most front line soldiers are recruited from some of the poorest areas in the country when they are children and made to sign up to a deal that condemns them to imprisonment if they change there minds later
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My heart bleeds for them.
 
rioted said:
:D

I'm sure the thousands of Iraqis they butchered would agree with you.
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it wasnt just iraqis who died though was it fuckwit, those kids - which as what a lot of them are - have seen there mates blown to pieces and countless other horros the likes of which i hope most of us never witness

hundreds have been injured, thousands will be psychologically scarred for life by what they saw and what they were forced to do, none of which was their decision

and anyone who attempts to defend a bunch of nasty little fuckwits (whether muslim or not) who decide to get out on the streets and jeer them when they finally make it back to their homes and families is every bit as inhuman and fucked up as the cunts who sent them to kill and die in the first place
 
TAE said:
Which is why I would never join the army in the first place.


You do not know what I have/not done and I don't want to discuss it.
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but we can take it your not posting from a cell

you do know that soldiers who desert can be imprisoned for life dont you
 
Don't get me wrong, I do have some sympathy for those soldiers, but if you kill for a living (blowing people to pieces and countless other horros the likes of which I also hope most of us never witness) you have to accept that some people will take exception to it - and verbal heckling is really not the worst form of protest.
 
smokedout said:
and anyone who attempts to defend a bunch of nasty little fuckwits (whether muslim or not) who decide to get out on the streets and jeer them when they finally make it back to their homes and families is every bit as inhuman and fucked up as the cunts who sent them to kill and die in the first place
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I'd have no problem jeering these sadistic cunts.

Even the Chief of the General Staff, Sir Mike Jackson, condemned those convicted, and apologised to the victims and the people of Iraq.
 
the comments at the bottom of that article are interesting. they largely support the marchers.

I could understand this if the luton muslim community were hanging homosexuals by lamposts or carrying out female circumscion (sp) in back streets.

but they're not.
 
At least we didn't start burning people yet

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Awesome Wells said:
this is really quite shocking, on the face of it.
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shocking? no not at all .. it has been surprisingly slow coming .. we ignore the grievances of the majority at our peril .. people have been totally disempowered at all levels .. and these things do not come out how we (left/@) want unless we are involved at the base .. here clearly we are not and this is what happens
 
dennisr said:
As BA said above - the world is not black and white - most Luton muslims rejected the approach taken by a tiny minority. Despite your 'liberal' intentions you end up being a 'useful idiot'.

Yes *sigh* british Muslims have every right to protest and yes *sigh* the war is utterly wrong. The point of anti-war protest would be to win folk to that view rather than push them further into 'its a muslim v non-muslim' lie. The original 'protesters' did not want that they wanted to 'provoke' and further divide and set one group agsinst another - and they now seem to have got what they set out to do.
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yes, and to what BA says
 
dylans said:
We have a professional army. Its a career move. Like our brave police. Fuck em. They know what they are doing.

The image of starving proles forced to take the kings penny makes my heart bleed.

The British army are the attack dogs of the British state. Victims my arse. Ask the people of Derry about our "brave troops"

All this "our boys" crap is simply jingoism pure and simple. It is amazing how people fall for it every time.
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career move? wanker .. not many other choices .. when you have kids you may realise that these boys are just that boys .. grow up time ..
 
You know what - and I said it at the time - you can say what you like about individual soldiers being victims of the state, but a damn procession through the streets extolling the regiment, I don't want to see that. The regiment as an entity has done some really fucking evil things, and it doesn't have any excuse.
 
durruti02 said:
you clearly do not know who was on it then!lol
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I know who was on it and i don't like their politics any more than you do.

A patriotic homecoming parade is a legitimate target for an anti war protest by anyone opposed to the war.

All this patriotic shit makes me puke.They lie to you. Then they lie some more. They try to terrify you with promises of weapons of mass destruction. They completely ignore the biggest anti war demonstrations in decades. They lie to you some more.Then they cover up their lies Then......

They try to dazzle us with parades and brass bands and "support our boys" patriotic propaganda and we are all supposed to fall in and play. Fuck that, I'm not playing their game.. I detest this idea that somehow it is our duty to applaud these patriotic events and the implication that we are some how treasonous if we don't swallow their crap.

Homecoming parades my arse, we should be coming home in shame at the death and destruction we have wrought in Iraq. And yes, every single British soldier who took part is personally responsible. Both morally and in law. Victims, my arse. The Iraqi people are the victims.

The only parade I will applaud is when we pull the last soldier out of Iraq. I'm just sorry there aren't more people demonstrating at these events.
 
dylans said:
And yes, every single British soldier who took part is personally responsible. Both morally and in law. Victims, my arse. The Iraqi people are the victims.

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How many people do you think UK troops actually killed in Iraq?
How many civillians in Iraq were actually killed by Iraqis? Does that mean every Iraqi is responsible?
 
dylans said:
I know who was on it and i don't like their politics any more than you do.

A patriotic homecoming parade is a legitimate target for an anti war protest by anyone opposed to the war.

All this patriotic shit makes me puke.They lie to you. Then they lie some more. They try to terrify you with promises of weapons of mass destruction. They completely ignore the biggest anti war demonstrations in decades. They lie to you some more.Then they cover up their lies Then......

They try to dazzle us with parades and brass bands and "support our boys" patriotic propaganda and we are all supposed to fall in and play. Fuck that, I'm not playing their game.. I detest this idea that somehow it is our duty to applaud these patriotic events and the implication that we are some how treasonous if we don't swallow their crap.

Homecoming parades my arse, we should be coming home in shame at the death and destruction we have wrought in Iraq. And yes, every single British soldier who took part is personally responsible. Both morally and in law. Victims, my arse. The Iraqi people are the victims.

The only parade I will applaud is when we pull the last soldier out of Iraq. I'm just sorry there aren't more people demonstrating at these events.
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but it was NOT an anti war protest .. so you are quite simply wrong .. as dennisr said we have all been on a dozen anti war protests over the last few years ( well i have not sure if you have) so this idea we are AGAINST anti war protests is bullshite ..

BUT it WAS NOT AN ANTI WAR PROTEST .. it was a wind up but islamofascists .. and they got their answer

it sounds like you missed the urban debate back when the Luton home coming march and demo happenned. there was a good arguement ..

personally i think they should be left alone, as they are too emotive for many people ( would you protest an army funeral??) but OTHER anti military actions should be organised at army events/offices/recruitment drives etc .. e.g. in hackney we have demonstrated against an army recruitment office
 
durruti02 said:
but it was NOT an anti war protest .. so you are quite simply wrong .. as dennisr said we have all been on a dozen anti war protests over the last few years ( well i have not sure if you have) so this idea we are AGAINST anti war protests is bullshite ..

BUT it WAS NOT AN ANTI WAR PROTEST .. it was a wind up but islamofascists .. and they got their answer

it sounds like you missed the urban debate back when the Luton home coming march and demo happenned. there was a good arguement ..

personally i think they should be left alone, as they are too emotive for many people ( would you protest an army funeral??) but OTHER anti military actions should be organised at army events/offices/recruitment drives etc .. e.g. in hackney we have demonstrated against an army recruitment office
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It _was_ an anti-war protest, it was protesting about the war - one might say that it was an inappropriate one but that doesn't make it not an anti-ward protest.

A parade is not the same as a funeral. Funerals are personal to the people concerned (or rather, their families). A parade is something very different, it's about celebrating the regiment and displaying it to the populace.
 
durruti02 said:
but it was NOT an anti war protest .. so you are quite simply wrong .. as dennisr said we have all been on a dozen anti war protests over the last few years ( well i have not sure if you have) so this idea we are AGAINST anti war protests is bullshite ..

BUT it WAS NOT AN ANTI WAR PROTEST .. it was a wind up but islamofascists .. and they got their answer
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Using the term 'islamofascist' doesn't assist your argument.

Islamists as you know come in a large variety from peaceful political reformists to conservatives and finally violent jihadists.
 
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