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Papier Mache ... how do you do this?

You may need to re-think the exploding aspect then....or go to the shops!

Or dress the sprog in something red and orange and get them to burst out of the cardboard box waving strips of cut up newspaper while shouting "I AM THE GOD OF THE VOLCANO: KNEEL BEFORE MY WRATH"!

I wonder what his pals are making...

A caldera would be cool partly because it might contain the spewing liquid rather than having it all spurt out all over the school classroom floor :)

Actually I like the idea of dressing sprog up more and more !! ! :)
 
Yeah, I'm having trouble working out how to write it down!

OK - instead of wrapping a single bit of chickenwire all the way round, cut it in half and make one half of it hinge so it swings out, revealing the coke bottle mechanism within. You could glue some paper to the coke bottle with an illustration like this:

volcano_diagram.jpg


to show how the inner workings of an actual volcano.
 
Yeah, I'm having trouble working out how to write it down!

OK - instead of wrapping a single bit of chickenwire all the way round, cut it in half and make one half of it hinge so it swings out, revealing the coke bottle mechanism within. You could glue some paper to the coke bottle with an illustration like this:

volcano_diagram.jpg


to show how the inner workings of an actual volcano.

Tell me you have not just drawn that.....'cos if you have I would not know whether to be impressed or slightly scared!
 
Lovelly drawing kyser .. I think we may not be trying to achieve parasitic cones at this stage :)

I think at the rate I am going we will be lucky to have a traditional cone, with or without a caldera.

Where to get a base? I think hardboard would be good but I don't want a massive chunk as I have'nt tools

Also what about chicken wire, I don't want to buy a great reel of the stuff...
 
Got a B&Q/similar DIY or builders merchant nearby? See if they have any offcuts they're prepared to give away/.
 
Got a B&Q/similar DIY or builders merchant nearby? See if they have any offcuts they're prepared to give away/.

Good thinking, yes I have a big B&Q and a Homebase also nearby ..

I said I don't have tools but I used to have lots of them, I gave many away before the last move as I didn't have space to keep them, but I may have a saw and whatnot still..
 
Good thinking, yes I have a big B&Q and a Homebase also nearby ..

I said I don't have tools but I used to have lots of them, I gave many away before the last move as I didn't have space to keep them, but I may have a saw and whatnot still..

Just a random thought - if you have a B&Q near you (as you say you have) then buy a large wooden bed knob type thing. Saw it laterally and then stick a straw on one side and hinge the two parts together. Paint it up on the outside and paint the volcano diagram on the inside half with the straw (the straw is the magma throat) and the other half plain. Cut a washing up liquid bottle so you have the bottom third as a base. Put coke and mentos in the bottom third and wedge the bedknob type thing in the top. The foam should squirt up the straw (if you have made the straw long enough so it reaches the coke). This should also be stable enough so that you can test it out at home before the main event so you know it works.


I havent dont this btw, am just thinking laterally.
 
If you don't want to do papier mache you could use a brown tape to make the volcano, it doesn't need to dry so much ergo is quicker. I need to go and ask my friend what it is called though.

hmm.. tape, now there is an idea... I like it .. much less mess..

Also we could build the shape of the volcano in scrunched up silver foil and then build the papier mache (or tape) finish on top of that...
 
Just a random thought - if you have a B&Q near you (as you say you have) then buy a large wooden bed knob type thing. Saw it laterally and then stick a straw on one side and hinge the two parts together. Paint it up on the outside and paint the volcano diagram on the inside half with the straw (the straw is the magma throat) and the other half plain. Cut a washing up liquid bottle so you have the bottom third as a base. Put coke and mentos in the bottom third and wedge the bedknob type thing in the top. The foam should squirt up the straw (if you have made the straw long enough so it reaches the coke). This should also be stable enough so that you can test it out at home before the main event so you know it works.


I havent dont this btw, am just thinking laterally.

HI AJ, cant say I follow all of your idea.. but the idea of buying something that already has the shape is one I have had. I wonder if I can buy a plastic cone, perhaps a petrol filler cone thing - forget the name - but that might simplify things...

Sprog seems to be abandonning the idea of the explosion, but he wants to keep it forever afterwards which means I may not be able to use flour paste rather than PVA...

I want to use flour paste
 
Where to get a base? I think hardboard would be good but I don't want a massive chunk as I have'nt tools

Also what about chicken wire, I don't want to buy a great reel of the stuff...

Pick up a cheap bread board from a pound shop.

Doesn't have to be chicken wire - you just need something to build up the shape or you'll be sticking on papier mache forever.

Does he want it to open out like a vertical cross-section, or will he be satisfied with being able to lift it off?

I think I'd start by making a short cardboard cylinder sufficient to hold a 500ml bottle of coke and fix it to a cheap wooden base using papier mache. This way, it'll be easy to replace the coke and have as many eruptions as you like.

For the volcano shape, use a large pear-shaped balloons to make a base (instead of chicken wire). Papier mache around the top (non-round) end of the balloon, making sure you cover it to sufficient depth to cover the coke bottle and leaving the nozzle end open to take the coke bottle.

When the papier mache is hard, remove the balloon and shape it so that it fits nicely over the coke bottle. Make some papier mache rocks to go around the volcano to hold it neatly in place without needing to glue it.
 
Pick up a cheap bread board from a pound shop.

Hi ymu,

thanks for your thoughts, some useful ideas there ...

I love the idea of a pound shop bread board. The only thing is at the moment I am trying to persuade sprog that it does not need to be massive.. currently his plan is to use a full sized pringles tube in the middle which will mean a verh high volcano and consequently very wide at the base ... wider in fact than any base I can at the moment think of ....
 
I don't think a Pringles tube would be very satisfying explosion-wise. Too wide at the top. You need a bottle-neck.
 
I don't think a Pringles tube would be very satisfying explosion-wise. Too wide at the top. You need a bottle-neck.

He seems to be going away from having an explosion at the mo...

But he still wants to be able to open it up and show the insides.. I am not at all sure that is easily doable..
 
He seems to be going away from having an explosion at the mo...

But he still wants to be able to open it up and show the insides.. I am not at all sure that is easily doable..

Would he be happy with a top that lifted off - like I suggested - or is he set on hinges for a cross-section? Building the volcano as a lid that fits over the bottle should be easy. Otherwise, the balloon suggestion would also work to make a cross-section. Just build the base up on the balloon, carve it to the right shape to fit around the bottle, saw it in half and hinge the two halves with a bit of fabric glued on the inside.
 
Horrible Science things live up woefully to the cartoon excitement of the packet. I think we got the volcano one. It was a largish box containing nothing but a weeny plastic pot, a weenier plastic straw, and a misspelled leaflet telling us to mix some baking soda and water together for volcano frolics.
 
Would he be happy with a top that lifted off - like I suggested - or is he set on hinges for a cross-section? Building the volcano as a lid that fits over the bottle should be easy. Otherwise, the balloon suggestion would also work to make a cross-section. Just build the base up on the balloon, carve it to the right shape to fit around the bottle, saw it in half and hinge the two halves with a bit of fabric glued on the inside.

ymu I have to say that I don't fully follow your baloon idea. I get that I can use a baloon or more as something to stick the papier mache onto and then at the end deflate the baloon to leave a void inside.

It is a clever idea but I think I might achieve the same object by scrunching up silver foil or sticky tape or even newspapers, obviously without the internal void at the end.

At the moment I am thinking ..

Block from pound shop for solid base
pringles tube cut down as middle, able to take coke bottle if explosion is decided on
shape of volcano packed out with scrunched paper, silver foil or sticky tape
Papier mache mixed with flour paste covering to outside of volcano
small village built from paper / cardboard
Painted as required

Obviously that does not really permit the openning to show the inside of the volcano.
Not really sure what to do about that at the mo.
 
ok - I would make up some salt dough, as you can then make it in the layers that he will want to paint in the cross section. Make large quantities, mould it like play dough, bake it in the oven (on low, overnight) and then paint with gloss paints, or paint and varnish so that you can keep it for years (shh - maybe not for ever, but years).

volcano.png
 
wow spanglechick

that sure looks great.

have to do some thinking now ..
it is expected at the moment to exceed the size of my oven :)
But I would like it to be smaller !!
 
Another idea.

By a babies feeding bottle. Paint it brown. Fill it with coke and mentos etc. It will squirt out the teat.

No work needed at all. Unless you want to paper mache around it for the lulz or something.
 
if you are using coke and mentos , it has to be diet because asparetene (sp) is needed to create the reaction.

we made one in class with some of our mid range students ( academically they are probably between 10-14)

ours was made with a 500ml bottle of diet coke as the centre.
over the top was a cone shape made from thin cardboard
this was covered with a thin layer of pva glue and cheap crepe bandages ( a box from poundland, cut into smaller strips). this gave a uneven texture mininal effort. that was then painted with brown paint, with slightly different shades of brown . ( brown, brown with a bit of white mixed, brown and black, brown and grey etc)
once dry, place cone over bottle. mark about an inch down from the neck of the bottle, and cut vertically across the cone, giving you two pieces, one bigger than the other
hinge the two pieces on one side with a bit of duct tape
if you want a cross section of a real inside volcano, then use the cone as a template, and draw the cross section on a bit of card. stick to side of coke bottle
put bottle of diet coke on a plastic plate, and put cone on top
secure cone sides with a split pin on each side, and a loop of string or wire
varnish outside and inside of volcano
put some scrunched up red paper in the top to hide the cola lid

when you are ready to erupt your volcano, get a piece of tubing slightly bigger than a mentos ( we used a smarties tube) take paper and lid of the the cola. put a piece of paper or card over the neck, put tube on top, fill with mentos, the remove cars, dropping mentos in to bottle , and voila :)

if you dont want a mentos style erruption, instead of mentos, you can fill an empty bottle with a mixture of gelatine and red food colouring, or even cheap liquid soap, a bit of water and food colouring, put a bit of wire wool with talcum powder sprinkled on top of it and put a drinking straw in between the wire and bottle , and just blow when you want a ash cloud and bubbly larva
 
Ooh - that's true about the diet drinks! It does work with other fizzy drinks, but it is best with diet ones. Mythbusters investigated this most extensively.

 
I want kids, just to be able to knock up awesome volcanoes.

Are you gonna have a helicopter dangling a man in a silver suit as well
 
We decided against an explosion, apparently there are no extra points for it.

We decided on a cross section of half a volcano, split in the middle

so far we have ...

Acquired sticky gaffer tape, acrylic paints, flour, lots of newspaper and ...

We made a base from cardboard..
A vertical from cardboard (an old box)
A support between the base and the vertical shaped like the side of a volcano
stuck together with gaffer tape
scrunched up newspaper to fill the void.. fixed with gaffer tape
made flour paste
papier mache'd strips to cover the scrunched up newspaper
stuck away until all was covered
made a parisitic cone from papier mache
put the whole thing into the airing cupboard overnight

presently sprog is painting flame red lava flows ..

there may be pictures later :)
 
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