Outrage as Tory MP claims she felt threatened by 'thug gang' of campaigning OAPs and disabled people

[zippyRN]

I think what panpete is asking for is a link to something about the day centre closure as it wasn't mentioned in the article you linked to.

god forbid people actually prove the these 'phacts' of class war propaganda

 

[StoneRoad]

zippyRN - just fuck off, again.

 

[tufty79]

zippyRN - just fuck off, again.

Ooh! We've got nearly the same automatic response

 

[andysays]

Ooh! We've got nearly the same automatic response

I suspect most of us here have a broadly similar response.

So, zippyRN, do you have anything to say about the actual subject under discussion? Do you think that the MP in question was right to refer to the protestors' behaviour as thuggish, or would you rather focus on utterly transparent attempts at diversion away from the real issues?

 

[Libertad]

I am still waiting for the thousands of Death certs and /or coroner's verdicts which prove this 'phact' often trotted out by the economically illiterate ...

JUST FUCK OFF YOU CUNT

 

[friendofdorothy]

The demonising of the poor, the disabled etc has now reached such heights that in the mind of Tory MPs like Priti Patel I suppose the very act of collective protest is now regarded as thuggish behaviour.

Just look at them standing together in the rain with their banner proclaiming that the NHS is "ours" and should be fought for. It's a sight to strike terror into the heart of any right-thinking person.

There was a time when an Mp would have chatted to a group of ill/disabled/older constituents or invited them for tea to listen to their concerns. Shame on Priti Patel.

 

[nino_savatte]

god forbid people actually prove the these 'phacts' of class war propaganda

Jesus H Christ, just when you thought it was safe, it's back spouting shite.

 

[isvicthere?]

Right, so you automatically take the word of a tory that people daring to voice their concerns are 'behaving badly'. You utter wanker.

^^^^this times a trillion!

 

[equationgirl]

I am still waiting for the thousands of Death certs and /or coroner's verdicts which prove this 'phact' often trotted out by the economically illiterate ...

Oh please fuck off with this shit. Thanks.

 

[equationgirl]

god forbid people actually prove the these 'phacts' of class war propaganda

God forbid you stop spouting tory rhetoric.

 

[Greebo]

Bakunin you'll be glad to hear that one of the new things you can do as the person who started a thread is ban people from it.

I think zippyRN might be worth trying this out on.

 

[toggle]

I am still waiting for the thousands of Death certs and /or coroner's verdicts which prove this 'phact' often trotted out by the economically illiterate ...

ask IDS.

 

[toggle]

Bakunin you'll be glad to hear that one of the new things you can do as the person who started a thread is ban people from it.

I think zippyRN might be worth trying this out on.

how?

gimme a sec, i'll walk accross the room and look

 

[toggle]

still can't find it.

 

[Greebo]

how?

gimme a sec, i'll walk accross the room and look

Sorry Bakunin and toggle. I might have been a bit optimistic there and it's mods who can ban posters from specific threads, but even so.

 

[tufty79]

Sorry Bakunin and toggle. I might have been a bit optimistic there and it's mods who can ban posters from specific threads, but even so.

Yeah, i think it's just a mod function.

 

[Bakunin]

Yeah, i think it's just a mod function.

Bugger!

I was looking forward to using my mighty banhammer, as though I were a Norse thundergod sent to smite the unworthy.

'OOOOO-DIIIIIIN!'

Fuck, yeah...

 

[toggle]

Bugger!

I was looking forward to using my mighty banhammer, as though I were a Norse thundergod sent to smite the unworthy.

'OOOOO-DIIIIIIN!'

Fuck, yeah...

now just imagine this image, only slightly more related to gachnar (fear demon, it's a buffy reference)

 

[existentialist]

I am still waiting for the thousands of Death certs and /or coroner's verdicts which prove this 'phact' often trotted out by the economically illiterate ...

god forbid people actually prove the these 'phacts' of class war propaganda

What's with the 'phacts' stuff? Anybody would think that you had some kind of axe to grind.

You know as well as I do that no death certificate is going to say "died due to benefits sanctions", and I absolutely think that if someone did come up with death certificates for all of them, you'd be leafing through them going "Nah, no proof there". So it would be pointless.

Many people who have taken their lives have done or said something to indicate that their decision to die was influenced by the problems they were having with benefits claims. That suggests that there are at least some cases where people have died thanks to benefits sanctions. And it would not be difficult for a reasonable person to deduce that, say, depriving someone of income for a month who is already in poor health would be likely to increase the risk of their health deteriorating further. Not to mention the general levels of stress that are well-reported by people in having to deal with the DWP in all its forms.

But it would have to be a reasonable person. And you're clearly not one of those.

 

[isvicthere?]

Bugger!

I was looking forward to using my mighty banhammer, as though I were a Norse thundergod sent to smite the unworthy.

'OOOOO-DIIIIIIN!'

Fuck, yeah...

Well, it's a nice Thor-t, for better or Norse.

 

[Nylock]

god forbid people actually prove the these 'phacts' of class war propaganda

Go away you dumb shit.

 

[equationgirl]

Bugger!

I was looking forward to using my mighty banhammer, as though I were a Norse thundergod sent to smite the unworthy.

'OOOOO-DIIIIIIN!'

Fuck, yeah...

My hopes were raised then cruelly dashed, I wanted to watch zippy getting a ban too

 

[zippyRN]

Go away you dumb shit.

so in otherwords tit canlt actually be proven, despite the way in HM coroner are well known for laying in all and sundry when responsibility could be apportioned ...

 

[teqniq]

Can you not even type properly?

 

[equationgirl]

so in otherwords tit canlt actually be proven, despite the way in HM coroner are well known for laying in all and sundry when responsibility could be apportioned ...

They are limited in what they can write on a death certificate, normally to medical causes, not socioeconomic or political ones.

If it's suicide, they say suicide no matter what drove the person to take their own life. They don't write 'suicide because atos, the Tories and the dwp drove them to it'

 

[zippyRN]

They are limited in what they can write on a death certificate, normally to medical causes, not socioeconomic or political ones.

If it's suicide, they say suicide no matter what drove the person to take their own life. They don't write 'suicide because atos, the Tories and the dwp drove them to it'

Narrative verdicts ? as if it was such a major preciptating factor as the la-la land magic money tree lefties keep claiming it is, surely there would be at least a couple of dozen narrative verdicts or coroner's recorded comments making such a link ...

 

[teqniq]

so in otherwords tit canlt actually be proven, despite the way in HM coroner are well known for laying in all and sundry when responsibility could be apportioned ...

Actually no that's just what it says - go away but I suspect you won't. If that is the case perhaps you'd like to address yourself to existentialist's reply?

 

[teqniq]

Incidentally zippyRN why is it do you think that the

DWP Block Release Of Figures On Number Of People Dying After Benefits Stopped?

A petition has been launched after the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) blocked the publication of statistics showing how many people have died within six weeks of having their benefits stopped.

More than 18,000 people have signed the Change.org petition in under a week after the DWP appealed a decision to release the sensitive figures.

After a freedom of information request, the Information Commissioner's Office (ICO), an independent authority set up to uphold public information rights, agreed that there was no reason not to publish the figures.

"Given the passage of time and level of interest in the information it is difficult to understand how the DWP could reasonably withhold the requested information," The ICO said....

 

[zippyRN]

Actually no that's just what it says - go away but I suspect you won't. If that is the case perhaps you'd like to address yourself to existentialist's reply?

Usuyal problem with the cant and 'phacts' of the whole welfare reform opposition is that they seem to be based not even in anecdotal evidence byut in man down the pub level stories ...

 

[teqniq]

see my above post