Oh dear... Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson sacked over Huawei leak.

[Bahnhof Strasse]

actually, according to frantic backpeddalling, the accusation is that he broke the ministerial code - the sensible thing would to have been to have avoided accusing him of the leak, and just stated that his response to the leak enquiry was unsettling for the PM, that she no longer had confidence in him, and that therefore he was no longer Defence Secretary.

however, the OSA accusation is out of the bag and there's little the PM can do to throw a net over it.

any prosecution of Williamson (or whoever else gets embroiled in this debacle) is however going to face a problem - the leak was not primarily of operational/intelligence information, it was of political information: that 5 members of the NSA voted against Huawei, 5 for, and that the PM had the casting vote. that is, theoretically, covered by the OSA, but so is the lunch menu at Shrivenham, as it is only information that i could glean from my duties. no one has - i hope - ever been prosecuted for revealing the lunch menu at Shrivenham as, although its obviously still official information, its just 'meh', as is who voted for what.

What was on the lunch menu?

 

[Teaboy]

More importantly. What colour is the boathouse door at Hereford?

 

[kebabking]

What was on the lunch menu?

a lamb curry, fish pie, and vegetarian lasagne.

yesterday, in celebration of International Workers Day, we had Pot Noodle and Findus Crispy Pancakes.*

(we didn't. i had Beef Wellington, followed by Carrot cake).

 

[kebabking]

More importantly. What colour is the boathouse door at Hereford?

i fear you confuse me with someone who does any exercise...

 

[Sasaferrato]

Wanting a spanking from a nice young lady & getting one from a brutish teacher maybe quite different experiences. I know you are getting on in years but laughing about child abuse? WTF

Child abuse? Get over yourself. As someone who went through their entire schooling in the time of corporal punishment, neither I, or my compatriots regarded it as abuse. It wasn't. It was the form of discipline in place at that time.

 

[Poi E]

I went through it and we thought it was abuse. The headmaster used to video caning us. Fuck corporal punishment. Hitting children and getting the perverts off.

 

[8ball]

Child abuse? Get over yourself. As someone who went through their entire schooling in the time of corporal punishment, neither I, or my compatriots regarded it as abuse.

That's always a handy tactic for getting away with abuse - having the victims buy into it.

 

[Poi E]

Cos children can give consent right?

 

[SpookyFrank]

When corporal punishment was finally abolished in public schools, I recall a letter to the Telegraph, where the writer said:

'Those youngsters, they don't know how privileged they were, what they were getting for free, well, he had to pay a nice young lady in Soho Square quite handsomely to receive'.

Entire generations of children suffering under the dominion of sadists and perverts, with consequences permeating every corner of society, lol.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Child abuse? Get over yourself. As someone who went through their entire schooling in the time of corporal punishment, neither I, or my compatriots regarded it as abuse. It wasn't. It was the form of discipline in place at that time.

And you didn't grow up to find humour in rape threats or anything.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Fucking snowflakes the lot of you.

 

[andysays]

Fucking snowflakes the lot of you.

Corporal punishment clearly made you the man you are today.

 

[8ball]

Fucking snowflakes the lot of you.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Cos children can give consent right?

OK then, by your view, no child can be immunised without consent. No child can be sent to school without consent. No child can be taken anywhere they don't wish to go?

Care to rethink your risible statement?

 

[Sasaferrato]

And you didn't grow up to find humour in rape threats or anything.

I learned to recognise shit stirrers at a very early age. So just jog on.

 

[Sasaferrato]

I went through it and we thought it was abuse. The headmaster used to video caning us. Fuck corporal punishment. Hitting children and getting the perverts off.

You poor wee soul. No doubt it will affect your whole life. What a shame.

 

[SpookyFrank]

You poor wee soul. No doubt it will affect your whole life. What a shame.

You're sick mate. You're fucking damaged.

 

[Sasaferrato]

That's always a handy tactic for getting away with abuse - having the victims buy into it.

We neither 'bought in' nor didn't 'buy in'. It just was.

Times move on, and things change.

I will say one thing though, teachers who gave lines rather than the belt were disliked more than those who belted you.

 

[Sasaferrato]

You're sick mate. You're fucking damaged.

Jog on.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Entire generations of children suffering under the dominion of sadists and perverts, with consequences permeating every corner of society, lol.

Your mind is a very strange place.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

We neither 'bought in' nor didn't 'buy in'. It just was.

Times move on, and things change.

I will say one thing though, teachers who gave lines rather than the belt were disliked more than those who belted you.

I'm 56 going on 57 and at the state schools I went to, teachers who hit you were despised and seen as 'wrong uns'. At primary school we had a female teacher who put your name in a book to be called out the next morning and hit across the hands with a ruler....we were 6 and 7 and we knew it was wrong and weird. At secondary school we had a male head teacher who would read out a list of names to report to his office after assembly for the cane...we were teenagers and we knew it was wrong and weird.

Please don't try to include me in your attempted 'blindness to abuse' revisionism; adults hitting children (especially with impunity and without sanction) hurts the children and the adults. You are not looking good trying (for whatever reasons) to diminish or dismiss that hurt.

Cheers and take care - Louis MacNeice

 

[Sasaferrato]

I'm 56 going on 57 and at the state schools I went to, teachers who hit you were despised and seen as 'wrong uns'. At primary school we had a female teacher who put your name in a book to be called out the next morning and hit across the hands with a ruler....we were 6 and 7 and we knew it was wrong and weird. At secondary school we had a male head teacher who would read out a list of names to report to his office after assembly for the cane...we were teenagers and we knew it was wrong and weird.

Please don't try to include me in your attempted 'blindness to abuse' revisionism; adults hitting children (especially with impunity and without sanction) hurts the children and the adults. You are not looking good trying (for whatever reasons) to diminish or dismiss that hurt.

Cheers and take care - Louis MacNeice

Whatever.

Unlike some, it seems I have the ability to accept and move on, not keep whining about it decades later.

 

[YouSir]

Whatever.

Unlike some, it seems I have the ability to accept and move on, not keep whining about it decades later.

Although you do spend huge amounts of time acting the cunt on internet forums, so there's evidently some form of trauma that's stuck with you over the years.

 

[Poi E]

Sas, it fucked you up. I wouldn't be rushing to defend assault on minors.

 

[Pickman's model]

Whatever.

Unlike some, it seems I have the ability to accept and move on, not keep whining about it decades later.

seems to me that in your mind, if not in your posts, this still affects you

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Whatever.

Unlike some, it seems I have the ability to accept and move on, not keep whining about it decades later.

It's not about moving on. It's about accepting that people were really hurt by their experiences and that this still matters. You were lucky in not experiencing this enduring hurt; I'm unclear why you wish to denigrate what other people have been and continue to go through...what skin is it off your nose?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Poi E]

Where does the anger come from eh

 

[Sasaferrato]

Sas, it fucked you up. I wouldn't be rushing to defend assault on minors.

Idiot.

I didn't use corporal punishment with my own child, which I would have had your view been right.

 

[Poi E]

Still, taught you respect for power.

 

[Sasaferrato]

Where does the anger come from eh

I'm not angry, I'm highly amused.