#occupy London....
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Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
I honestly don't know what to say to these twoofers - I just feel like saying "You're wrong, stop it." But that doesn't help. Talked to one on Saturday who went on about Zeitgeist. I just rolled my eyes because that was the most polite response I could summon. I know from experience that rational argument doesn't work. So what do we do about them here? Anyone fancy collecting their zany theories and some responses into a leaflet?
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
Possibly - a wee dig around implies he's made alot of enemies. Never heard of him until today.
FabricLiveBaby!
Live Baby Fabric!
He looks like he lives in a well nice pad!
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
I just put up a call on fb for some assistance re CTs esp Zeitgeist.
Yes.
FabricLiveBaby!
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About the conspiraloonary... I have a mate who has turned to this. He's always out on direct action, which I respect a great deal, but is always telling me to watch zeitgeist this youtube movie, and freemasons that youtube movie. He seriously drives me potty. What's more is that you simply CANNOT talk to him reasonably about it.
If I do ever challenge him he gets all shouty. He says it's becuase he's "not very good at arguing his point across and [he] can't find the right words to say".
I say he gets shouty cos he's completely potty and has a distinct lack of facts to hand other than "watch the Youtube video".
So all in all "committed anarchist" blokey is right. I've never been more turned off by direct action than this mate of mine.
It's sad cos he's losing a lot of good mates over it too. Too much preaching to the "sheeple".
If I do ever challenge him he gets all shouty. He says it's becuase he's "not very good at arguing his point across and [he] can't find the right words to say".
I say he gets shouty cos he's completely potty and has a distinct lack of facts to hand other than "watch the Youtube video".
So all in all "committed anarchist" blokey is right. I've never been more turned off by direct action than this mate of mine.
It's sad cos he's losing a lot of good mates over it too. Too much preaching to the "sheeple".
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Stop being polite to them and start making them unwelcome.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
It's difficult tho isnt it - i've got a mate who's always been really sound, always supported what i've done re protests and that - but recently she's stated posting up zeitgeist/conspiraloon type bollocks on facebook. if they're a twat you can always just tell them to fuck off but it's differetn if they're a close mate. suppose i just have to wait for her to bring it up next and then try and argue with her gently.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Yeah, I kind of like the idea, but it would also change the everyone-welcome atmosphere at occupations.
past caring
The Cathars were right
Good.
FabricLiveBaby!
Live Baby Fabric!
Yeah, really hard. I hope your mate falls out with it as quickly as she fell in.
My Bf and I have taken to avoiding this guy now. It's a shame cos my boyfriend's known him for more than 10 years and he is a nice guy with his heart in the right place. We haven't dumped him, we still see him, just less than we used to because he's REALLY hard work and takes up a lot of energy. We have to mentally prepare ourselves for him before we arrange a meeting iykwim. Bah! I just want our mate back.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Re: the pacifist thing, tangentially related to the 'inclusive atmosphere' and so on- these lot haven't had a slap yet have they. OB do not hold caucus on the issue of violence before they steam in and these lot will soon learn this if they become a proper nuisance. Is it likely that the thought or actuality of robust opposition from the PTB might clear the loon element out?
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
I had a mate like that, FLB (and frogwoman). After a couple of years of arguing about it, we just don't talk anymore - his head is totally warped by rense/jones/zeitgeist and he's unable to connect with any meaningful activisms.
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
PTB? What does that mean?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
powers that be
past caring
The Cathars were right
When she was about 22 my sister started trying to convince anyone who would listen to her that she had the "proof" that Jesus had existed and was, in fact, a woman. "The patriarchy" had conspired to keep this fact from the world.
She was, of course, bonkers in the nut - and to be honest, from some of the stuff you say about your mate's behaviour, it sounds like they might well be, too. A lot of these truthers don't need to be reasoned with, they need the shrink and the liquid cosh. And if the liquid one doesn't work.....
audiotech
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From the assembly in London, a collectively agreed initial statement.
A brief summary:
A need for an alternative.
Against the cuts.
Support for strikes on the 30th November and solidarity action.
Independent regulators.
An end to wars.
Structural changes towards global equality.
http://occupylsx.org/?p=221
A brief summary:
A need for an alternative.
Against the cuts.
Support for strikes on the 30th November and solidarity action.
Independent regulators.
An end to wars.
Structural changes towards global equality.
http://occupylsx.org/?p=221
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
Looking at a recent video, it's clear the CTers HATE HIM WITH A VENGEANCE (link here: http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=_BrV9S3NdiE).
Irony is, these CTers are calling Veitch a shill, but probably lap up everything Alex Jones says ... there's been good reason to suspect Jones for a very long time ... what with him being a major disinfo agent to rival Rense, plus him being friends with one of the UK architects of the EDL, not to mention his interviews with UKIP's Farage (srsly).
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Yeah, it's not as easy as making them not welcome, obviously. I have a couple of mates who are into this crap too. I make my opinions very clear to them every time it comes up.
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
This is how the people at #OWS is dealing with antisemites - report by Dan: http://mobius1ski.tumblr.com/post/11575039711/lies-damned-lies-antisemitism-at-occupy-wall-street
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
How many more times?
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
No, it's not that easy - read Dan's article that he published about an hour ago, on how OWS have not been able to rid themselves of antisemitic sign-man, and have instead countered his sign in other ways.
Dan published that article an hour ago. What's your problem? Don't like the way Jews are dealing with antisemites at OWS? Or do you favour Kristol or Bone's approach? WTF?
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
I agree that people at the occupation should be arguing that the truthers and other assorted Conspiraloons should be fucked right off. Let em go and do their loonspuderry somewhere else. The only people put off would be be assorted lizard worriers, closet jew baiters and those who are happy in the head. So no loss to anyone.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Surely someone can have a quiet word in his shell like?
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
I think being on the steps of St. Paul's and the open 'blessing' of the CofE might put a few of the Zeitgeisters off, lol.
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
He was there long before OWS, so unlikely. He's been standing there with that sign like forever!
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
Instead of a No CTs Pls leaflet, how about a poster? A poster can be uploaded to the Occupy website and cld be resized to A5 or A6 for ease of distr and to save your voice when encountering a CTer (hand them a leaflet instead).
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
I don't mean in a polite non-threatening manner.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It contains the same crap, and it doesn't contain a damn thing about the problems i brought up with this approach. I've been asking you for two days now to address it.
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