frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Just briefly been to Birmingham camp. First conversation involved chemtrails and fluoride in the water. Not good.
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redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
How many people there today?Just briefly been to Birmingham camp. First conversation involved chemtrails and fluoride in the water. Not good.
The Sydney protests seem to have largely fizzled out.
TruXta
tired
Just briefly been to Birmingham camp. First conversation involved chemtrails and fluoride in the water. Not good.
In situations like that I like to argue that chemtrails are actually the delivery mechanism whereby the lizards are injecting fluoride into the drinking water supply in order to stop the sheeple from realising that we are all brain-batteries in vats powering the n-dimensional holosimulator from whence the Greys and SATAN rules the Earth. That usually shuts them up.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Two makeshift benders, about 10 people hanging around. Street type people on first impressions, not a slur on them, but maybe a bit alienating for some. A very vague manifesto about being a slave to money. No mention of cuts, squeeze on wages, housing, N30 strikes etc. Early days though.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
My thinking is somewhere between yours and Pickman's Model. I've always been aware of, and generally contemptuous of, the elements of "professional activism" throughout the left. By this I mean not the committed and sincere women and men who sometimes risk their lives on the front-lines of protests, but the plastic revolutionaries in their offices and their committees, sitting safe and deciding "policy" while others get their skulls bashed.
Those kinds of "activists", the ones who want to direct from one remove, are the sort that no movement actually needs. If you want to "lead", then lead from the front or not at all.
rekil
to menny cranks
The WSM, Eirigi and a couple of other tiny lefty groups came up with the 1% thing at least 18 months ago so it seems a bit peculiar to try to exclude them. They'll be nicking their walking tour next.
BigTom
Well-Known Member
this kind of stuff was definitely around on Saturday/Sunday though. Perhaps it's a case of those who are able/willing to spend the night there and actually camp out who are into the CT stuff.. I'm going down in a bit, so I'll report back what I find.
If you have 15 minutes to watch this video then you get quite a different impression.. I only watched it once, but I saw just one placard mentioning NWO, and in the interview bit I don't remember any CT stuff at all, though there's some hippyness going on with the guy at the end.
Embed doesn't seem to want to work so here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/v/vn5RSoCkIuE?version=3
I really hope that it doesn't turn out to be mainly CT types and even worse the zionist banking conspiracy wankers.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Not a bad vid, but there are people on about UK being a limited company and birth certificates being a scam, which is standard Freemen of the Land crap, but the basic underlying message was spot on. The bloke who went on about chemtrails is on there too. Lots of vague waffling about humanity being one for my taste.
Maybe I'm being overly cynical, but without talking about issues which directly affect them, i.e. housing, health services, jobs, schools etc, then most people are gonna ignore it. I see nothing in this vid that makes me think this will draw in ordinary people.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Attacking capitalism is anti semitic. Everyone knows that. Marx hated jews. So does Chomsky.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Stop. Right now.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
LOL - I have spent years here trying to figure out common ground between the broad left and "truthy" types. I never had much luck and now it's going to be taking place at an occupation near to you. All well and good I say, so long as people play the ball, not the (wo)man.
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
One out of two isn't so bad, especially given the varying degrees of mistrust in governments/corporations/financial institutions.Just briefly been to Birmingham camp. First conversation involved chemtrails and fluoride in the water. Not good.
Chemtrails is one of the top 10 American-origin conspiracy theories and can be readily debunked: http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform.../browse-all-issues/2010/fall/patriot-paranoia. Although it began in anti-federal government rightwing patriot circles, even hippies and other natural-living people will sometimes talk about them. It's easy to talk about as long as you remember it's all part of the widespread general mistrust (not unwarranted either) in corps/govts/capital.
Fluoride in the water is something I'd be inclined to agree with being against, given numerous non-conspiraloid cast-iron case studies in Ireland showing massive incidences of fluorosis (damage to teeth and bones) in the young. Improved dental access beats medicating all water. Again, it's a talking point. The government doesn't want to spend the money on increasing dental access for kids. I'd argue that it's worth it for the long-term benefits.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Or say the wrong things.
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No it's not. It's fucking irrelevant. If you want to make the argument OMG they don't care about us there's far better untainted examples.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Apparently fluoride in the water is used for mind control in prison camps, according to this bloke.
Its crap and not directly relevant to anyone. All it does is make people think "loonies!".
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
Totally. The nazis didn't use it for nothing. You can't say so without some smartarse invoking Godwin, but it doesn't make it less true
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The nazis used barbed wire too. They used things that are normal. You're ruining it.
'While on the streets, moments of madness occasionally erupt in the protest crowd -- accompanied by whiffs of marijuana, grungy clothing and disarray -- order prevails at the storage site.It doubles as a sort of Occupy Wall Street central command post, with strategic meetings that are separate from the "general assembly" free-for-alls in the park. One subject Sunday was data entry: protesters are working to get the names and addresses of donors into a databank, to thank them for their gifts.'
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9QDP8181.htm
Btw, anyone who thinks there are 'no leaders' in the occupy movement is wrong, RTS, EF all had de facto leaders, etc often self chosen...
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9QDP8181.htm
Btw, anyone who thinks there are 'no leaders' in the occupy movement is wrong, RTS, EF all had de facto leaders, etc often self chosen...
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
Which so far, from your high horse, you haven't yet deigned to inform us all about, instead preferring to verbally deride the approaches of others.
So, are you going to continue to Victor Meldrew us all with your complaining about the imperfection of everyone's elses' approaches from your high horse, or are you going to teach us your way and share your tools?
taffboy gwyrdd
Embrace the confusion!
You're obfuscating. Did they use flouride out of concern for the molars and incisors in the reich?
How much I am "ruining it" - I don't know. The propagation of the "truth" agenda at the occupations seems to be a very live issue.
Not that I would or have wibbled on about flouride (or 911 etc, Freeman OTL stuff.) at such spaces, but others seem happy to, and it is hard to justify how such free speech could or should be verbotten.
Luther Blissett
Nomadologist
It didn't even cross my mind about nazis - I only know it's done alot of damage to teeth/bones in forcibly fluoridated Ireland.
There are more pressing things to discuss though - like the NHS, the cuts, the lack of jobs, the cost of living rises, etc.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What am i hiding?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Key thing here.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
FUCK. OFF.
TruXta
tired
Refs please? Tend to agree that it's not worth having "debates" with troofers and CTers... FFS just look at Jazzz on here and tell me what good 10 years of counter-arguments have done. CTers are about emotions and emotionally invested ideologies, not about reasons and sound arguments. They are detrimental to the "occupy" movement.
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