#occupy London....

[Blagsta]

Which so far, from your high horse, you haven't yet deigned to inform us all about, instead preferring to verbally deride the approaches of others.

So, are you going to continue to Victor Meldrew us all with your complaining about the imperfection of everyone's elses' approaches from your high horse, or are you going to teach us your way and share your tools?

Come on, this ain't difficult. If the first contact someone has with the occupy thing is some loon going on about chemtrails and fluoride, what impression does that give? Are they gonna go away thinking "yeah, this is directly relevant to my life and needs, I'll support that" or "they seem like a bunch of loons"?

 

[butchersapron]

I like the way that luther uses 'us' - your legs working today then?

 

[Mapped]

Is this the non-facebook version? http://www.occupybritain.co.uk/

Thanks I was looking for that last night but ganja muddled my noggin

 

[treelover]

Polly vs The TPA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4iLOP1WCVk

Btw, Is he one of the libertarian in 'that photo', now he has had a haircut!

 

[Luther Blissett]

Come on, this ain't difficult. If the first contact someone has with the occupy thing is some loon going on about chemtrails and fluoride, what impression does that give? Are they gonna go away thinking "yeah, this is directly relevant to my life and needs, I'll support that" or "they seem like a bunch of loons"?

I agree. But if my first contact (or several first contacts) consisted of this, then I'd just have the conversation with them. I know most of the CTs and it's much easier to talk about what's really going on. The big conspiracy about CTs is it stops people form talking about what's going on. So bat that ball at the CTers when you meet them. Truth is stranger than fiction, etc.

I don't know what else you want me to say. If you think I left something out, then YOU SAY IT.

 

[Blagsta]

I agree. But if my first contact (or several first contacts) consists of this, then I'll just have the conversation with them. I know most of the CTs and it's much easier to talk about what's really going on. The big conspiracy about CTs is it stops people form talking about what's going on. So bat that ball at the CTers when you meet them. Truth is stranger than fiction, etc.

I don't know what else you want me to say. If you think I left something out, then YOU SAY IT.

I approached the occupy Birmingham as an ordinary person, not as a politico, asked them what it was all about, and got the answer that it was about "the economy, the banks, the fake queen, chemtrails and fluoride in the water". That is not how you make it relevant to people and turn it into a mass movement.

 

[Blagsta]

Having said that though, I am assured that there are wiser people involved too. I just hope they can prevail.

 

[Luther Blissett]

The upshot of this conversation is that some of the people who are involved have substituted CT for involvment, so deep is their mistrust of the governments/corportations, and with the advent of the internet, CTs have become more widespread, not less.

The solution is to deal with this - what way would you suggest, if you don't agree with my down-to-earth approach?

 

[Luther Blissett]

I like the way that luther uses 'us' - your legs working today then?

'us' as in everyone having this conversation on urban - the same place where you are also discussing the occupy movement.

is that another of your stalling tactics to avoid coming out with anything useful that others could use?

 

[Blagsta]

The upshot of this conversation is that some of the people who are involved have substituted CT for involvment, so deep is their mistrust of the governments/corportations, and with the advent of the internet, CTs have become more widespread, not less.

The solution is to deal with this - what way would you suggest, if you don't agree with my down-to-earth approach?

The need is clear for further engagement and hoping to steer them to making themselves more relevant. If they don't, they will make themselves an irrelevance and will be gone in a few days. If it doesn't grow, it will fizzle out.

Overt anti-semites and free market types need booting out straight away.

 

[butchersapron]

'us' as in everyone having this conversation on urban - the same place where you are also discussing the occupy movement.

is that another of your stalling tactics to avoid coming out with anything useful that others could use?

Yes, yes it is.

 

[chilango]

Btw, anyone who thinks there are 'no leaders' in the occupy movement is wrong, RTS, EF all had de facto leaders, etc often self chosen...

EF! did not have "de facto leaders", self-chosen or otherwise. I can't comment on your other examples

 

[frogwoman]

Attacking capitalism is anti semitic. Everyone knows that. Marx hated jews. So does Chomsky.

stop

 

[treelover]

Just noticed Dave Balfe is posting on the FB site, ex Teardrop Explodes, owner Food Records(Blur)

won't he be seriously rich from the record label?

wonder if Julian will join in?

 

[claphamboy]

If it doesn't grow, it will fizzle out.

I suspect it'll fizzle soon enough, what with the weather getting colder & wetter.

Nice idea, but at the end of the day it's the wrong time of the year.

 

[Blagsta]

I suspect it'll fizzle soon enough, what with the weather getting colder & wetter.

Nice idea, but at the end of the day it's the wrong time of the year.

Yeah, that's what I think. Unless it turns into occupying libraries threatened with closure etc, like someone suggested.

 

[past caring]

Then they could burn some books to keep warm, eh taffy?

 

[shaman75]

I'm more than a little surprised that the irrelevance that is Charlie Veitch hasn't raised his greasy megaphone yet.

he was there on saturday, but haven't seen any evidence of megaphones yet.

he wound up the Love Police anyway http://www.cveitch.org/

 

[ViolentPanda]

Attacking capitalism is anti semitic. Everyone knows that. Marx hated jews. So does Chomsky.

We're not talking about attacking capitalism though, are we? We're talking about a manifestation of anti-Semitism that posits the thorough infiltration (and in some cases the creation)of capitalism by Jews, and then purports to attack capitalism, but whose attacks on capitalism are actually coded attacks on Jews.

 

[frogwoman]

the "capitalism" of the conspiracy theorists is only a specific type of industry within a capitalist system as well.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Stop. Right now.

Don't stop him. Let him keep showing himself up for a fool or worse!

 

[ViolentPanda]

It didn't even cross my mind about nazis - I only know it's done alot of damage to teeth/bones in forcibly fluoridated Ireland.

There are more pressing things to discuss though - like the NHS, the cuts, the lack of jobs, the cost of living rises, etc.

Fluoride does harm when it is introduced to water that hasn't been analysed. Most cases of flourosis have occured when water that already naturally contained fluorides and/or some other trace elements was fluoridated.

 

[treelover]

fantastic article by student leader Michael Chessum

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/oct/17/students-occupy-lsx-education-white-paper

 

[Libertad]

he was there on saturday, but haven't seen any evidence of megaphones yet.

he wound up the Love Police anyway http://www.cveitch.org/

I await his re-incarnation with bated breath.

 

[grit]

I await his re-incarnation with bated breath.

This is going a bit off topic, but hasnt he been at the center of a lot of accusations about abusing women?

 

[Luther Blissett]

Fluoride does harm when it is introduced to water that hasn't been analysed. Most cases of flourosis have occured when water that already naturally contained fluorides and/or some other trace elements was fluoridated.

In Ireland, by age five, one quarter of children present with fluorosis. Objections aren't just about visible presentation on their teeth, they're about the unseen presentation in the bones. Personally have no idea yet how this will affect bones through to old age. All I was trying to say was that it's not CT to be against fluoride. Although some of the arguments (like the nazi one) obviously are CT arguments. And this is the last I'll talk about it, because I'm trying to gather some unbiased data on the Zeitgeist movement and other CT claims.

 

[dylans]

I await his re-incarnation with bated breath.

He's an annoying twat but he is right in this vid about conspiracy theorists being the enemy and as a former conspiroloon himself, its important that he said so

 

[Luther Blissett]

This is going a bit off topic, but hasnt he been at the center of a lot of accusations about abusing women?

Yes, he has, but I'm not sure if they're smears or real. Does anyone know? My suspicion is the former.

 

[Luther Blissett]

He's an annoying twat but he is right in this vid about conspiracy theorists being the enemy and as a former conspiroloon himself, its important that he said so

LOL. He's right about CTs.

 

[DotCommunist]

This is going a bit off topic, but hasnt he been at the center of a lot of accusations about abusing women?

All I've seen is an unsubstantiated set of accusations from an ex. So fuck knows.