#occupy London....

[butchersapron]

You'd said "there was lots of this sort of thing going on and it was clearly putting them off" - so I thought you had actually heard/seen it

I did see lots of people being put off by loons, and i did point out why it was shit.

But, of course, according to you, this sort of stuff didn't and couldn't happen. To suggest it might would be crass. And of course, can be dealt with by you directing them to a picture of something that happened in New York in totally different circumstances with totally different actors.

What's gone wrong with your eyes luther? And on the same subject, what's gone wrong with your legs?

 

[Luther Blissett]

Don't put words into my mouth, old man.
I objected to your sloppy mischaracterisation that the protestors were all conspiraloids.

The links I gave were relevant, because whilst the 'actors' are different, the ideologies are the same.
The ways of dealing with these things are myriad - those two links showed two ways.

 

[butchersapron]

You're not doing very well here.

Don't put words into my mouth, old man.

Old man. You make i laugh. Down with the people older than me.

 

[Mapped]

I like that idea. Occupy Urban75

http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/is-there-a-need-for-an-occupy75-sub-forum.282652/

 

[Luther Blissett]

You're not doing very well here.

Old man. You make i laugh. Down with the people older than me.

You walked away.

 

[Brainaddict]

This is an interesting commentary on occupy lsx : http://thethirdestate.net/2011/10/rank-mimicry-in-the-form-of-protest-reflections-on-occupylsx/

I don't think everyone focussed on the police as much as him as his friends, but he suggests there is a lack of political content to the occupation that was worrying me too. I'm talking just about the London one here - and perhaps true of other UK ones. It's certainly different in other countries. But here, and to some degree in Spain, I think a particular form has developed that is intensely focussed on creating a (probably temporary) collective identity and trying to assert space for that identity in a slightly egotistical way - meanwhile the more substantive organising is still not being done in many places.

Having said that, I'd rather it were happening that not. It may be the start of better things.

 

[Luther Blissett]

I hope so too.

One issue in particular which stood out for me this last week: ordinary working families unable to afford private rents in 55% of local authorities: Read more
The week before it was the reports from various churches that the demand for food parcels is increasing; the complete and utter lack of opportunities to access training/education and employment for 1 million youth

And then there's the news that some GPs in York are exploiting their patients to line their own pockets ...

The list is massive - we're being fucked over.

 

[Red Cat]

Yeah. But I bet the SWP have got a list for who's first up against the wall when revolution comes. Life's more complicated than that.

I don't have anything against swappies personally. I'd like massive change, but don't share their revolutionary zeal. Their approach is alienating and scary to many people who aren't educated in these issues and it's these people who need to be brought on board. A stand of very keen and well meaning people outside a tube station, doesn't achieve this. Most people think that they are nuts.

Other more subtle methods are needed.

Hope I've not been out of order here and don't want to offend any trots.

Murderous, naive, zealous, alienating, scary and insane.

How could anyone be offended by that?

 

[Mapped]

Sorry

Just thinking aloud! Are you all swappies on here? If so very, very sorry!

You'll never get me selling any papers though

 

[AKA pseudonym]

http://www.occupybritain.co.uk/266-2/occupy-london/ #OccupyLSX Livestream

 

[DrRingDing]

You should take it back.

I really shouldn't encourage them.

 

[DotCommunist]

Sorry

Just thinking aloud! Are you all swappies on here? If so very, very sorry!

You'll never get me selling any papers though

outside etc

 

[Mapped]

Sorry

Just thinking aloud! Are you all swappies on here? If so very, very sorry!

You'll never get me selling any papers though

I've just found out that one of my mates is flogging papers today

I need a big think about my personal politics.

Sorry again for any offence caused. I'm just trying to bounce ideas about

 

[butchersapron]

You've not offended anyone bouy - keep bouncing

 

[Mapped]

outside etc

Getcha!

 

[Mapped]

You've not offended anyone bouy - keep bouncing

I am. I'm going to bounce all the way to the pub now

 

[Luther Blissett]

From 1997 median wages declined in Europe.See the stats (& it'll be worse for the poorest) http://t.co/K1jGK3Ep

 

[butchersapron]

2.20

 

[Luther Blissett]

Defence against rip-offs http://bit.ly/rf5dml

 

[sptme]

They have posted up their key messages from the GA:

1) The current system is broken - undemocratic, unjust. We need alternatives. This is where we start working towards them. We will work out further points in the course of the occupation.
2) We are all ethnicities, classes, genders and generations - and we stand together with occupations all over the world.
3) We refuse to pay for the bankers' crisis.
4) We support the strike on 30th November, the student actions on 9th November, and actions to defend the health service, welfare and employment, and to stop wars.
5) We want structural change so the world's resources go to caring for people and for the planet, and not to the military, corporate profits, or the rich.
6) THIS is what democracy looks like.
https://london.indymedia.org/articles/10500

 

[butchersapron]

Your legs working yet luther?

 

[Luther Blissett]

Your legs working yet luther?

In case you do decide to join the protests, you might like to maintain your anonymity behind this mask:

 

[Blagsta]

They have posted up their key messages from the GA:

1) The current system is broken - undemocratic, unjust. We need alternatives. This is where we start working towards them. We will work out further points in the course of the occupation.
2) We are all ethnicities, classes, genders and generations - and we stand together with occupations all over the world.
3) We refuse to pay for the bankers' crisis.
4) We support the strike on 30th November, the student actions on 9th November, and actions to defend the health service, welfare and employment, and to stop wars.
5) We want structural change so the world's resources go to caring for people and for the planet, and not to the military, corporate profits, or the rich.
6) THIS is what democracy looks like.
https://london.indymedia.org/articles/10500

 

[butchersapron]

In case you do decide to join the protests, you might like to maintain your anonymity behind this mask:

Been down there. You?

 

[treelover]

@Blagsta, what on earth is wrong with the list, its the return of decency to politics and a strong defence of social democracy and the welfare state, calls for revolution are going nowhere

 

[Blagsta]

@Blagsta, what on earth is wrong with the list, its the return of decency to politics and a strong defence of social democracy and the welfare state, calls for revolution are going nowhere

All classes? Really? Whatever happened to a class analysis?

 

[treelover]

if they act on welfare it is much more than most of WILOTL has done in the last few years(though it is getting better..)

 

[Blagsta]

if they act on welfare it is much more than most of WILOTL has done in the last few years(though it is getting better..)

If who acts on welfare?

 

[treelover]

@blagsta

activists from RTS. EF, etc onwards have been trying to dispose of the 'baggage of class'

 

[treelover]

If who acts on welfare?

The UK 'occupy' movement, it is in their statement...