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BigTom said:
some of the core people on the Birmingham facebook group are freeman of the land types. I'm having to keep my mouth very shut, I'd suggest you don't come anywhere near it.. but I also know that there were some good anarchists down there today. I'm hoping that arguments can be won face to face, because online stuff never goes anywhere.
No evidence of conspiraloons yet, or dickhead libertarians, but I'm sure they are there, fotl and libertarianism often goes hand in hand from what I've seen.
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Oh jeez, just had a look at the Brum page, some idiot's wanking on about Rothchilds and Zionists :facepalm:

Don't worry, I'm not gonna post on there :D
 
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc7-JrTOGvg

These are the youtube comments:

"I don't trust that guy at all.

Julian Assange is Rothschilds man, controlled opposition.
Julian Assange is fraud.

As Bernays said in the 1920's "if you control the leader, you control the group". Beware of controlled opposition, be an individual, be your own leader, only as individuals can we break the corrupt system. Remember Mao said the one thing he feared more than anything was someone with an idea, remember that.

I don't trust anyone who says 911 isn't a real conspiracy."

In the same way that the Tottenham (and beyond) disturbances were a wake-up call (to some) about renegadism within. 'Occupy UK' will be a wake up call about growing conspiracism and 'infinite love' trends.
 
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Gramsci said:
Police are on radio news saying they are trying to clear St Pauls to protect it. When I was there the protestors were not doing any damage. No one was trying to climb St Pauls to put banners up on the Church. So Id say the protestors were being careful to respect the building.
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London police love to attack when the sun goes down
 
'anti-starbucks' was so noughties, seriously this is a new generation, look at them in the photos, average age, 20...
 
This stuf needs to be rid of mental swapies. Their presence makes it look like everyone's mental. And who in thier right mind would buy that fucking paper :confused:
 
Blagsta said:
Oh jeez, just had a look at the Brum page, some idiot's wanking on about Rothchilds and Zionists :facepalm:

Don't worry, I'm not gonna post on there :D
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Here's a photo from a one-person against the ZionistsAteMyHamster sign at Occupy Wall Street:

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Write up here: http://www.salon.com/2011/10/12/anti_semite_gets_called_out_at_occupy_wall_st/singleton/

And wingnuts who might try to imply the protests are flawed or marred, are neatly deconstructed and dismissed here by Sad Red Earth:
The video the three have foisted on us purports to show significant and rampant anti-Semitism at the Occupy Wall Street protests. It is a blatant and paltry distortion.

It is a regrettable nearly timeless truth that wherever attacks on the financially powerful are made, there will appear among the assembled motley of attackers some who will advance old, ugly canards about Jewish influence among the world’s wealthy. It is a regrettable current truth that wherever general left side protest is made there will appear within it some element protesting against Israel and for, as it happens in the video, Gaza. NONETHELESS, what the manipulators of this video have managed to come up with, after over a month of protest in New York City, and now in scores of American cities, is a mere one-minute assemblage. It is dynamically edited so that one may be led to believe that Occupy Wall Street is a veritable cauldron of anti-Semitic hatred. In truth, it shows, edited to appear multiple times and so increase the sense of number, only three incidents, one of which is the Gaza sign that we must acknowledge as a breed apart from the anti-Semitism. That leaves two – two incidents of anti-Semitic behavior noted among many weeks and cities of protest and thousands of protestors.
The footage of the uglier of the two anti-Semitic incidents is culled from a longer video that has been on the web for over a week, and which culminates with an interview of the young man who berates and insults the old Jew. What is clear from the interview is that the guy is a loner and an outlier besides an ignorant asshole. What is clear from the Emergency Committee’s video is that its purpose is no emergency work on behalf of Israel, but the low and commonplace trashing of domestic political opponents, as it attempts to connect such as President Obama and Nancy Pelosi to the protests, and through the protests to the anti-Semitic and Gaza supportive elements. The video also belittles the protestors as a mob, and as such declares its plutocratic contempt.
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From: http://sadredearth.com/the-putrid-cynicism-of-the-emergency-committee-for-israel/

Do pls read both the articles, and especially watch the Sad Red Earth link to the 'longer video' - it'll make our wingnuts seem less nutty (marginally).
 
Peter Tatchell said:
The richest 10 per cent of the UK population have a combined personal wealth of £4 million, million. A one-off 20 per cent tax on those people would raise £800 billion.

Those people can afford it, they'd feel no pain, they're so fabulously wealthy. With that sum of money you could pay off the entire government deficit. No need for any public spending cuts.
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That 10% of the population includes esentialy anyone who owns a house in London. What Tatchell is actually proposing here is that the government go out tomorrow and ask for £30k off every homeowner in London. What's more that still wouldn't be anywhere near enough to pay off the existing government debt, which doesn't even include the banking liabilities, and does nothing about the £175bn pa structrual defecit!
 
ExtraRefined said:
That 10% of the population includes esentialy anyone who owns a house in London. What Tatchell is actually proposing here is that the government go out tomorrow and ask for £30k off every homeowner in London. What's more that still wouldn't be anywhere near enough to pay off the existing government debt, which doesn't even include the banking liabilities, and does nothing about the £175bn pa structrual defecit!
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Well he can fuck right off TBH. We struggled to buy a place this year at the stupid massively inflated prices, but we got there and are having to spend all our time and money making the place inhabitable. There isn't 30K available to give to Tachell. We're in debt ffs!
 
Blagsta said:
Oh jeez, just had a look at the Brum page, some idiot's wanking on about Rothchilds and Zionists :facepalm:

Don't worry, I'm not gonna post on there :D
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That's a different place to where I'm at, which is a group rather than a page, and def. contains the people who are actually there at the occupation, there's no zionism bullshit yet, and certainly no apparent racism.. sure theres a few CTers around though, kind of go hand in hand with FOTL beliefs.. I haven't looked for any pages relating to it, cos I found the group that felt very much like the central place to be..
There was no zionist crap in evidence in Birmingham yesterday from what I've seen, and I think they'd got told to fuck off if they did, knowing the people I know who are down there (some of whom might have bought into some of the 9/11 conspiracy stuff but see zionist conspiracy things for the racist bullshit it is, because they are anarchists or Marxists and have a political analysis that informs them about the banking system without a racial angle)

Photos from Birmingham
 
oh, and the reason I came on here to post was that the Vicar at St Pauls has come out in support of the occupation, and asked the police to leave, which they have apparently.. at least into their vans.
Should set a whole different tone for policing the occupation today and from now onwards.. and if the police leave it alone now, it could grow very quickly... perhaps it'll still be there for November 9th to use as a convergence centre!
 
ExtraRefined said:
That 10% of the population includes esentialy anyone who owns a house in London. What Tatchell is actually proposing here is that the government go out tomorrow and ask for £30k off every homeowner in London. What's more that still wouldn't be anywhere near enough to pay off the existing government debt, which doesn't even include the banking liabilities, and does nothing about the £175bn pa structrual defecit!
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You'll have to provide some figures for that
 
treelover said:
The SWP certainly don't believe in the '99%' concept, can't do if they are Marxists, not that I do either...
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The 99% is from economists who have looked at the growth in inequality between richest and poorest. The top 10% have over the last 20years gained more of the proportion of total wealth. Out of the top 10% the top 1% have increased there wealth even more than the remaining top 9%.

So out of the top10% even the top 9% have done worse than the ultra rich 1%.

To say we are the 99% is to show how how , obscenely , wealth has been redistributed upwards. Its quite staggering to read this and is not something we hear our politicians talk about.

I read this in Dorlings recent book on inequality,

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Injustice-Why-Social-Inequality-Persists/dp/1847424260
 
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