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Obi Wan Kenobi

Seen the first 3 now. I’m enjoying it, and my 7 year old lad has been sat with a face of pure joy whilst looking up the characters and “SPINNING LIGHTSABERS!!!” in his Star Wars Encyclopaedia, so I guess that’s job done for Disney.
 
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Ep.4

The one positive thing about that episode is that there is a tiny possibility that this was all a dream that Obi-Wan had whilst unconscious in the bacta tank. I certainly watched it and felt afterwards that I had a mild concussion.

If this was not the case (that it was a dream) then it was complete and utter bobbins, possibly written by two drunk people who'd seen the original film once forty years ago (and through a fogged up video shop window) who tried to recreate the rescue from the Death Star. Everything about that episode made no sense, and I am of the opinion it may be the worst Star Wars related thing ever made.
 
ep.4

Ok it appears that the makers of this episode or maybe Disney themselves are trying to hype up other media
that they are selling as this is just a massive shout out to Jedi Fallen order on multiple levels, even the ship Kenobi is taken to the bacta tank is reminisant of stinger mantis, saying that this episode is the weakest so far. no hint of kenobi healing up properly and trying to reconnect to the force or his master before launching what should only be a suicide mission for both people involved, also the path has no jedi

not sure about the jedi in status tanks as nothing has been hinting as a rescue mission for these jedi, second season maybe
also lets focus on randoms when notible jedi are present but heres the kids from the temple :hmm:

and after being held by the empire for what a few days to a week no one thought to check Laia or her clothes for a friggin tracker

the empire looks stupid , Obi wan looks stupid and nothing aside from fan service for gamers was taken from this episode

i loved fallen order but this was just a shout out to the trailer for fallen order 2 they dropped last week bah

at least people can stop ragging on the book of boba
 
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I don’t know if there’ll be further instalments of this, but apart from anything else already of concern, it seems a bit of a waste to use up the entire span of this miniseries on the current storyline.

Far more so as we all know that nothing bad is going to happen to Leia. Fair enough if she gets kidnapped as part of a bigger storyline and it takes an entire episode to rescue her. But there’s been far too little screen time so far about the far more interesting premise of the Empire ruthlessly hunting down any remaining Jedi across the galaxy in the aftermath of Order 66. And a missed opportunity to introduce new expanded universe characters, as Mando and Boba Fett have done very successfully and satisfyingly.

As an aside thought, since the writers are so keen on legacy characters in this, what’s the betting that Yoda will make an appearance? It’d certainly make sense at this point.

As a matter of fact, one could argue that this series is increasingly making Yoda look like a chickenshit coward, if are to accept that Obi Wan and the surviving Jedi and their supporters fought a dangerous underground against the Empire in the intervening years between episodes III and IV while the all-powerful Jedi Master himself hid away in a remote planet keeping a low profile.
 
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what a comical episode.

-Stormtroopers showing yet again what bad aim they have. three people surrounded by sea of stormtroopers and not a single one could hit our heroes.
-EM showing again what a terrible star wars actor he is. swings a lightsabre like a 60 year old.

When will Disney make a series featuring the coolest villain of them all: Darth Maul.
 
the prequels are better if you just accept that Ja ja is darth plagueis

but hey reconned it after the reaction to the first movie
 
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Ax^ said:
the prequels are better if you just accept that Ja ja is darth plagueis

but hey reconned it after the reaction to the first movie
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I obviously don’t know your age, but ime the immense majority of ‘first generation’ SW fans, namely those who grew up as the original trilogy first appeared, despise the prequel trilogy immensely overall, me included. Jar Jar Binks might be the poster boy of everything that’s wrong with the trilogy, but really is a footnote next to the myriad of other problems with the films. I am sadly aware of the fact that many of the SW fans born in this century have a depressingly favourable opinion of the prequels, though.

I’d happily keep in Jar Jar Binks if I could get rid of so many of other aspects that make the prequels so indescribably shit: from the gratuitous and plot hole-creating insertion of legacy characters for validation purposes, to the soporific storylines, wooden acting and dialogues. And in particular the absolutely soul destroying general cinematic look and the worst kind of uninspiring CGI visual effects possible- the latter flying directly in the face of the very philosophy that led to the foundation of Industrial Light & Magic, which undoubtedly was the one thing that made Star Wars what it is.
 
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it not really an age thing

but if you go back to watching the original prequel trilogy in the mindset that Ja Ja is really a sith apprentice

it just really works
 
Ax^ said:
slight adjustment *

it not really an age thing

but if you go back to watching the original prequel trilogy in the mindset that Ja Ja is really a sith apprentice

it just really works
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That would be a fascinating twist/ reveal at least.
 
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I obviously don’t know your age, but ime the immense majority of ‘first generation’ SW fans, namely those who grew up as the original trilogy first appeared, despise the prequel trilogy immensely overall, me included. Jar Jar Binks might be the poster boy of everything that’s wrong with the trilogy, but really is a footnote next to the myriad of other problems with the films. I am sadly aware of the fact that many of the SW fans born in this century have a depressingly favourable opinion of the prequels, though.

I’d happily keep in Jar Jar Binks if I could get rid of so many of other aspects that make the prequels so indescribably shit: from the gratuitous and plot hole-creating insertion of legacy characters for validation purposes, to the soporific storylines, wooden acting and dialogues. And in particular the absolutely soul destroying general cinematic look and the worst kind of uninspiring CGI visual effects possible- the latter flying directly in the face of the very philosophy that led to the foundation of Industrial Light & Magic, which undoubtedly was the one thing that made Star Wars what it is.
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Enjoyed watching them at the time, despite their many faults. Overall, they range from ok to disappointing. Don't get how some can rate them over the recent films, which were much more involving.

Do feel sorry for Ahmed Best, Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christensen, though.
 
krtek a houby said:
. Don't get how some can rate them over the recent films, which were much more involving.
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I guess the nerdier a SW fan someone is, the less chance of achieving any consensus. For me the first film in the recent sequel trilogy was a welcome mind bleach visuals-like, and I initially thought it was pretty good. But after the dust settled at the conclusion of the trilogy, you realise it was far more style than substance, and heavily laden with fan service. And then, even fans of the trilogy are split about the merits of each of the films. Each one being deeply flawed in their own way but with satisfying aspects too, and with very few people liking all three. In hindsight I would probably rate the pantomime villain of the three, Last Jedi, as the best one.

But the bottom line is that we thought lessons had been learned by Disney about the future direction the franchise should take. From the fantastically good Rogue One, undoubtedly the best SW film since the original trilogy, to the Mando and Boba Fett series, I would had thought the entire world was in agreement the way forward for the franchise was to keep the legacy characters and themes to a minimum, and focus on the secondary characters and worlds of the original trilogy.

An obi Wan series will by definition have to feature said legacy character, but there was no need for the plot to involve any of the others featured so far, at least in a main role. Far less so when their very presence and role creates potential inconsistencies and plot holes with the original trilogy.
 
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I guess the nerdier a SW fan someone is, the less chance of achieving any consensus. For me the first film in the recent sequel trilogy was a welcome mind bleach visuals-like, and I initially thought it was pretty good. But after the dust settled at the conclusion of the trilogy, you realise it was far more style than substance, and heavily laden with fan service. And then, even fans of the trilogy are split about the merits of each of the films. Each one being deeply flawed in their own way but with satisfying aspects too, and with very few people liking all three. In hindsight I would probably rate the pantomime villain of the three, Last Jedi, as the best one.

But the bottom line is that we thought lessons had been learned by Disney about the future direction the franchise should take. From the fantastically good Rogue One, undoubtedly the best SW film since the original trilogy, to the Mando and Boba Fett series, I would had thought the entire world was in agreement the way forward for the franchise was to keep the legacy characters and themes to a minimum, and focus on the secondary characters and worlds of the original trilogy.

An obi Wan series will by definition have to feature said legacy character, but there was no need for the plot to involve any of the others featured so far, at least in a main role. Far less so when their very presence and role creates potential inconsistencies and plot holes with the original trilogy.
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Not seeing anything yet that would hugely contradict the original trilogy?
 
krtek a houby said:
Not seeing anything yet that would hugely contradict the original trilogy?
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In this series nothing yet that constitutes an undeniable silver bullet I guess, though some including me might be tempted to suggest the writers have taken advantage of the ambiguous nature of the conversation between Vader and Obi Wan in A New Hope.

Yes, Vader’s opening salvo preceding their lightsaber fight aboard the Death Star does not directly contradict them meeting here (‘we meet again at last. When I left you I was but the learner- now I am the master). But rightly or wrongly I assumed the exchange had always hinted that it was their first encounter since the shit got real at the end of episode III.

One could say further doubts might arise from Vader’s Force radar completely failing to register the presence of his own flesh and blood Force-enabled daughter, despite picking up Obi WAN’s alright.
 
Maybe
he has it specifically focused on Obi Wan, rather than Leia?
Imho, these series are bridges to other parts of the franchise. Some work well, others less so.
 
ep. 5 thoughts

It was better than last weeks, but this is still an appallingly written and directed show. Of the many stupid bits I felt the contest for most ludicrous was a three-way tie between the initial assault on the base (why did all those stormtroopers and artillery line up again when Reva could just have opened the door in the way that she did?), how Obi-Wan's surrender happened or all the times Force users bent down to pick something up that they needed urgently.

An honourable mention too for those stormtroopers managing to miss almost everyone during the assault, even several times from point-blank range at that mute droid when he had his back turned to them.

Its too terrible for fan theories as to what will happen next (and given how often the show just magically creates things, like the snowspeeders in the last episode or the second ship in this), but I think this is so lazily written that Luke and Leia will inevitably meet before the end of the show and/or that the fake-Jedi redeemed con artist man will sell them out somehow.
 
FWIW I’ve enjoyed this episode more than all previous. Though that is not necessarily an endorsement of its virtues.

The fan service factor has been dialled up to 11 and then some. Cool to see the previously unseen fight moves by Vader, but at the same time a shameless crowd pleaser. And I guess we’re being asked to accept that Vader’s powers apparently have always extended to preventing a ship trying to fly away at full throttle from doing so, but of a certain size only. Seeing how he was unable to prevent the Millennium Falcon from escaping his grasp on Hoth in ESB, or the Tantive IV in Rogue One .

But this series was already riddled with potential plot holes and inconsistencies, so at this point it’s of little consequence as far as this series’ standing is concerned. As I said above, at least I found this episode far more gripping. And I thought the dual timeline scenes mixing Obi Wan and Anakin lightsaber training and their psychological oneupmanship battle In the present timeline worked really well.
 
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ep. 5 thoughts

It was better than last weeks, but this is still an appallingly written and directed show. Of the many stupid bits I felt the contest for most ludicrous was a three-way tie between the initial assault on the base (why did all those stormtroopers and artillery line up again when Reva could just have opened the door in the way that she did?), how Obi-Wan's surrender happened or all the times Force users bent down to pick something up that they needed urgently.

An honourable mention too for those stormtroopers managing to miss almost everyone during the assault, even several times from point-blank range at that mute droid when he had his back turned to them.

Its too terrible for fan theories as to what will happen next (and given how often the show just magically creates things, like the snowspeeders in the last episode or the second ship in this), but I think this is so lazily written that Luke and Leia will inevitably meet before the end of the show and/or that the fake-Jedi redeemed con artist man will sell them out somehow.
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Kenobi riding on a Rancor
 
Unlike many others it sometimes seems, I rate Ewan McGregor as an actor. Several very good performances I can think of. But his voice in the Star Wars universe grates me, and he sounds as charismatic and wise in this as Michael Owen. Far more evident when he’s trying to take the reins in a perilous situation and become the saviour and leader those around him are in desperate need of. I wonder if he tried to imitate Alec Guinness’s voice in the prequels and is now stuck with it.
 
I do like how these shows and the modern star wars movies can finally show the actual power of the force. Vadar bringing down the ship and holding off Reva with his force could never have been done in the original trilogies and is good display of why he is so feared. And my cats also liked watching it

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