Noam Chomsky: 9-11: Institutional Analysis vs. Conspiracy Theory
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Hmmm, controversial....
In that case, I chellenge with Bologna, citing the Gladio Clause, section 18 (b).
In that case, I chellenge with Bologna, citing the Gladio Clause, section 18 (b).
It served its purpose well. They didn't need it to be watertight. Who cares about it now? And it's still a 'conspiracy theory' to say that the USG scripted the whole thing and brought in their crowd for it. But when you know they are true, they don't seem at all remarkable.axon said:A very good example of how difficult it is to stage things. You see we know that it was not a genuine event, because of the eye witnesses and the long range photos that showed the crowd to be pathetically small and surrounded by tanks. The US governemtn couldn't even stage this one small event without people finding out the truth, but they managed to stage 911? Reality check needed.
It actually works the other way around - the bigger the lie, the more likely it is to succeed. One can get their head around the USG bringing in their rent-a-crowd to topple a statue. Considering that 9/11 might also be drawn from the same crock of shite is far harder. This is what separates the two.
Oh and... Dealey Plaza
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Jazz: have you ever accidentally told someone a secret? Or felt a secret had to be told to a close friend?Jazzz said:
Or had someone tell you something they should have kept a secret, perhaps when they were pissed, on drugs or feeling down?
Keeping a secret between three people is very hard.
Expecting hundreds, if not tens of thousands, of people involved in this 9/11 fantasy conspiracy of yours to remain resolutely tight lipped for over half a decade would be impossible - especially if those involved knew that they were involved in the cold-blooded murder of their fellow countrymen.
nah- the thing about operation northwoods is that it's *on record* that the government were planning to blow up one of their own ships and blame it on the Cubans. it's documented fact...Yossarian said:
"oh, but it never happened..."
no, and why? because JFK opposed it, and was also planning to disband the CIA... and then conveniently within a year he was dead. nothing to do with those nice CIA people of course... in fact, given the level of denial on this board, I'm surprised that people don't think he paid for his own hit-man...
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I love it! Just keep stacking those conspiracies on top of each other!snouty warthog said:
So how come you're not going on about other madcap plans that were devised in the 60s that also never saw the light of day - you know, crazy things like atomic strikes that would have ended up with millions of Americans being killed in retaliation?
Why is Northwoods - the operation that never happened - suddenly so significant when it was in a totally different era with a different world order, different government, different priorities, different people, different army etc?
Ed, I don't think you really care about whatever answer I could possibly give you ... your mind is entrenched firmly in one mind-set, for whatever reason. is there therefore any point in me attempting to discuss this topic, or similar, with you?
anyway, I think yr great. but forgive me if I duck out of chatting with you on this subject
anyway, I think yr great. but forgive me if I duck out of chatting with you on this subject
It's not a conspiracy theory. It is a conspiracy fact. It ceased being a theory when the evidence came about. Note the difference between the statue event and 911 - evidence is the key point.Jazzz said:
Go on then, what convoluted logical pathway are you going down to conclude this???Jazzz said:
We'll have to disagree about that.axon said:
It's not my conclusion. Allow me to quote a notorious propagandist:
"[the masses] more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation." The 'Big Lie'
because I truly do not think you will listen to my answer with an open mind. incidently, I do not think a few sentences constitute a 'rambling discourse'. still, not like you to let facts get in the way of a good dig... eh Ed?!editor said:
someone like me, eh?
pk, you miss Jazzz's purpose in quoting Goebbels. he is making a point about propaganda, and those who would use it to control the thinking of the masses.
also, I don't think Icke is anti-semitic. that's a smear. what he is, is anti-extra-terrestrial lizard. there is a slight difference. in fact, I don't think he even dislikes all the lizards, just the 'bad' ones. which is understandable. I'm not so keen on the 'bad' lizards either. they are very naughty.
peace
also, I don't think Icke is anti-semitic. that's a smear. what he is, is anti-extra-terrestrial lizard. there is a slight difference. in fact, I don't think he even dislikes all the lizards, just the 'bad' ones. which is understandable. I'm not so keen on the 'bad' lizards either. they are very naughty.
peace
game set and match... well maybe. personally, I here to share what I know, and to learn off others. I don't see it as a 'point-scoring' exercise. still, congratulations on yr victory
now then, on to the moon landings...
now then, on to the moon landings...
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