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What's the other angle?
My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding
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What's the other angle?
cliche guevara
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No, not at all. It put a major downer on the whole program for me, was a really sad ending. A conscious decision by the program makers for sure.
Bonfirelight
Crocodile
well, 'cultural practice' has often been used as a cover up for prejudice, be it something like banning women from the MCC or any number of the BNPs bullet points.
not-bono-ever
meh
a nightclub I worked in took on a traveller / showman wedding - the daughter of the bloke who seems to run the UK fairground scne - no one else would take them on - it was a Saturday afternoon bash, when the club is normally closed. we were shtting outselves cos of the tales we had heard.
about 400 guests tuened up, ran amok ( not in a bad way ) , policed themselves & drank the clubs stocks dry.
most profitable gig we ever did and no bother.
about 400 guests tuened up, ran amok ( not in a bad way ) , policed themselves & drank the clubs stocks dry.
most profitable gig we ever did and no bother.
trabuquera
Modesty Bag
this was a fascinating doc - although of course it skirted (ouch) the real nitty gritty stuff imho. when you've got that much £££ going into a wedding, who's paying - which side of the family and why? is surely one of the most important questions of all. I thought the dressmaker's explanation at the end was a bit of a copout. and it didn't go into any sort of double-standardness either ... i really do doubt that despite their embarrassed denials those lads were going to "abide by strict traditional rules" all their lives. there were tantalising hints about these communities being so scared of 'outsiders' and of their own folk 'backsliding' or 'drifting into bad ways' .
Brilliant moments though. Some of it you couldn't make up - my favourites were the father of the bride not even knowing where the chapel was, and bare-knuckle man saying very amiably that "loads of my best friends are .. em ...country people" (i.e. non travellers.) bwahahahahaha!
Brilliant moments though. Some of it you couldn't make up - my favourites were the father of the bride not even knowing where the chapel was, and bare-knuckle man saying very amiably that "loads of my best friends are .. em ...country people" (i.e. non travellers.) bwahahahahaha!
skyscraper101
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I wonder why so many of them are so averse to mixing with outsiders.
weepiper
I fix the machines that fight climate change
years of abuse and mistrust from some of those outsiders leading to tarring with the same brush.
rioted
redundant
A lot of history. A lot of persecution.
Louloubelle
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Apart from the reasons the others said about persecution etc. there is a fear of pollution as country people are seen as being dirty, simply because they do not have the same taboos and customs.
There are complex taboos relating to women's bodies, times of the month, washing the body and clothing, touching, animals that are seen as dirty / polluting (e.g. cats) etc.
There are complex taboos relating to women's bodies, times of the month, washing the body and clothing, touching, animals that are seen as dirty / polluting (e.g. cats) etc.
skyscraper101
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Yeah, probably. I think its a shame. I'd be happy to know some traveller folk if they'd want to know me too.
You don't have to marry them
skyscraper101
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I'd be scarred stiff of marrying anyone at the age of 17/18 
Louloubelle
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yeah, cos youre a fucking expert
skyscraper101
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Spiritual stuff.
Is there a great distinction between Roma and Irish when it comes to all this wuzho and marime stuff? The author talks a lot about Roma but I didn't see any mention of Irish travellers.
Yowzer
sorry but given Louloubelles opinions on other disadvantaged miniority groups i find it hard to take any of her bigoted shit seriously
Louloubelle
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I don't know if the words are the same, but the taboos are very similar, all the stuff about washing the upper and lower body clothes separately, hand washing after touching bedsheets, lower parts of the body, cats being polluting (I was told that it's because they lick their own genitals). Also all the stuff about dirty / polluting things being kept outside the home which has to be clean, so they wouldn't have waste paper bins or kitchen bins in the house.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Erm is there anyone here who actually has regular contact with Irish travellers?
Doesn't seem like it to me!
As an Aldershot resident I have had all the contact I need with Irish travelers.
N_igma
Epistemic nuisance
But have you lived with them?
Sweet FA
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That last wedding was a real contrast to the ones featured before. Apart from the fear the girl clearly felt, the reception was pretty empty. I wonder whether that was because the family'd lived on an estate for 15 odd years and weren't part of the traveller community any more? Really good programme - raised loads of questions that'll probably never be answered though.
zenie
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It's not the same for all of them, there is no hard and fast rules!
I know travellers with cats, and dogs lick their own genitals all the time, yet most travellers seem to have them around. The dresses at the annual horse sale, OMG!
I liked the 20ft train
Shame Sammy Jo's new husband looked like some kind of boxing loving inbred, maybe that's why she was so scared? Do you reckon it was arranged somehow, did they say where they met?
LLB's link is pretty laughable imo, bearing little resemblence to the travellers I've known.
I can't say I've lived amongst travellers, but I've had plenty of experience really. My parents moved to a place in London with one of the largest settled traveller communities nearby - home to what was once tagged Redskin Village and a focus of many Romany/Irish traveller tales. It still holds the largest fair in London and becomes a huge meeting point for a few weeks. TBH, bar one massive pub brawl, I've rarely had anything but kindnesz from the folks.
Interesting program really, but you felt that it only scratched the surface and the choice to focus on that one slightly atypical couple was a little limiting
I can't say I've lived amongst travellers, but I've had plenty of experience really. My parents moved to a place in London with one of the largest settled traveller communities nearby - home to what was once tagged Redskin Village and a focus of many Romany/Irish traveller tales. It still holds the largest fair in London and becomes a huge meeting point for a few weeks. TBH, bar one massive pub brawl, I've rarely had anything but kindnesz from the folks.
Interesting program really, but you felt that it only scratched the surface and the choice to focus on that one slightly atypical couple was a little limiting
Caught the last part but just dont get how they can be defined as a seperate ethnic group.
On what grounds ?
Roma, yes. Thats obvious. Different language, distinct culture and so on but these 'Gypsys', well I just dont see how they qualify in any way shape or form as some sort of specific ethnic group.
I just saw a load of rather tacky and loud white trash. Not too disimilar to my own background if I am honest but its hardly a cause for distincition or anysort of legal protection.
On what grounds ?
Roma, yes. Thats obvious. Different language, distinct culture and so on but these 'Gypsys', well I just dont see how they qualify in any way shape or form as some sort of specific ethnic group.
I just saw a load of rather tacky and loud white trash. Not too disimilar to my own background if I am honest but its hardly a cause for distincition or anysort of legal protection.
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