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Paul Kegan
You write as though ISIS actually has bases or infrastructure that can be bombed.
Moscow concert hall shooting, 22 Mar 24
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I don't know what you know about the ira's s plan, a bombing campaign in England in 1939/40. Presumably you'd have suggested then turning the might of the British army away from France and toward Ireland. You won't defeat daesh simply with bombs, that's a nonsense - it'd make more daesh members for a start. If I was putin, I'd have tried to calm things down around the caucasus before now. But sometimes the only tools people have are hammers and so every problem looks like a nail. Bloody times ahead in Ingushetia, where just a few years back a spot of autonomy would have resolved the situation.
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RD likes to pigeonhole people.
The39thStep
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The article that I put up and the links it has suggests a timeline :
19.55 terrorists arrive, get out of the car and shoot the security staff and people at front at entrance .
20.03 : 3 terrorists start shooting in the hallway of the theatre complex, 4th uses gasoline to set fire to chairs and emergency exits
20.13- 20.15. The terrorists leave their weapons and ammo and exit ( Reports say one firearm, a pistol was found in the car when arrested) .Terrorists leave the car park at speed knocking over a child.
20.15 first notification of the fire to the Fire Service which begins to engulf large parts of the complex where the shooting occurred
Ambulances and the EMS begin to arrive and fire spreads.
21.07 security forces enter the building
Much later: A car matching the description is spotted in Bryansk , Highway Department shut down M3 motorway . Car has to divert, chase ensues in which shots are exchanged. Car overturns and arrests are made around Teploe Village near Kjhatsun/Hatsun. One terrorist injured and taken to hospital, two others were arrested and then a fourth is arrested a little distance away in a forest.
So no cordon and no slinging the guns over their shoulders and nonchalantly strolling off down the avenue.
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Didn't know Putin posted here. What's his login?
bcuster
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Excellent. Thank you
bcuster
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His agents read this board. I’ve no doubt about it
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ravefozzie or something.
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Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
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Ax^
Silly Rabbit
and this is a county on a war footing friggin shambles
The39thStep
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How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Only the ones who have really pissed off their handlers…
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Putin joined the kgb in '75
just sayingThere was a time they would have moderated it tbh
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Ax^
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what the fuck are you trying to argue with me about.
that a country involved in a on going war with it's neighbour when drone attack have happened o. the capital city and this is how the military, police and security forces react to a terrorist incident
it was fucking shambles .. look at some of the attacks in europe also terrorist outrages the perpetrators did not managed to fuck out of a major city and drive hundreds of kilometres away
attack clearly shows the weakness present in both the intelligence agency's and military and police response time within Russia
would not be surprised if you get following attacks based on how bad the response was this is one
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
This.
Look at the Prigozhin episode, look at Manchester, look at Ukraine in the 24/48hours before the invasion.
For this particular event, the people at the end of the 999 line are the police, but the people who would respond - the specialist firearms units - aren't the police, they are the OMON/National Guard who belong to the Ministry of the Interior, not the local municipal authorities, so it's yet another phone call, yet another hurdle, yet another scrabbling around finding the person who can authorise X response.
It's usually a gangfuck, regardless of who is involved.
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I reckon it'd be quite easy to scarper among a crowd of scared people. Sure they'd have looked in detail at police response times - as agricola says there'd be rather too much information coming into police call centres, needing filtering and that and units to be tasked and to arrive etc. In all the confusion after if you ditched eg assault rifles, backpacks, it'd hardly be a challenge when all about you are losing their heads. We don't know - certainly I don't - what resources were in the omon station. Could have been empty, could have been full, could have been calling colleagues themselves seeking information, could have been a bunch of trainees with all the experienced guys sent to ukraine. All sorts of things about this we might guess at but the details of the apparent police delay aren't likely to revealed to us let alone the russians. We've talked on the Ukraine war thread about the way orders have had to descend from on high to troops, that there was at least at the start of the war little if any small unit autonomy. Chances are it's the same with eg omon. Sure we can damn them for their tardiness but some of us would prefer to know the reason why instead.
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.do you want me to Google it for you? being reported by almost every news sources in the west
they said it was provocation because of the special operation in Ukraine
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agricola
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TBF I am not sure that only OMON/National Guard would have responded, it would probably have seen everyone of whatever law enforcement organization turn up and without waiting for orders. There are some reports that one of the attackers was killed at Crocus City Hall itself, so someone must have got on scene quickly enough to do something.
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