Moronic England fan given 10 years for pushing Polish builder onto tube tracks

[editor]

Fuck me this guy's a dickhead. The guy he attacked was only saved from being frazzled because he was wearing rubber soles.

An England football fan has been jailed for 10 years for pushing a man on to live Tube tracks shortly before a train arrived.
Christopher Cole told the Old Bailey he pushed Polish builder David Pietraskzek at Bond Street Station because he was angry at Russian fans' behaviour during Euro 2016.
The victim managed to leap out of the way seconds before the oncoming train.
Cole, 32, admitted attempting to cause grievous bodily harm with intent.
The court heard Cole had got drunk and picked an argument with Mr Pietraskzek, 21, on a Central Line train after mistaking him as Russian on June 9, last year.

England fan jailed for pushing man in front of Tube - BBC News

 

[dessiato]

He's very lucky not to be doing time for murder

 

[Thimble Queen]

What a prick.

 

[two sheds]

Yes "attempting to cause grievous bodily harm with intent" sounds a bit fucking mild for that.

 

[isvicthere?]

Why wasn't the charge attempted murder?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Why wasn't the charge attempted murder?

My thoughts exactly. Getting hit by a train is usually pretty fatal.

 

[Mr Moose]

One thing he can console himself with in prison is he is unlikely to miss out on England winning a trophy.

 

[mx wcfc]

And, yes, I thought the charge was attempted murder. If not, it should have been.

 

[William of Walworth]

Yes "attempting to cause grievous bodily harm with intent" sounds a bit fucking mild for that.

I've never heard of that charge/offence!

 

[J Ed]

Deserves much worse.

 

[sealion]

I've never heard of that charge/offence!

Gbh section 18 with intent carries a hefty sentence. It is the intent part of the charge that gives weight to the sentence.

 

[mx wcfc]

The look on his face in the mug shot (apart from looking seriously pissed) is definately "oh fuck, oh bugger bugger fuck, I am seriously fucking fucked" And he is. even if he does get out after 5.

 

[UrbaneFox]

Look at his ears. He was a bad lot from birth.

 

[William of Walworth]

Gbh section 18 with intent carries a hefty sentence. It is the intent part of the charge that gives weight to the sentence.

Thanks for that info , but attempted murder more fitting to the incident? Or not? </non-lawyer >

 

[sealion]

Thanks for that info , but attempted murder more fitting to the incident? Or not? </non-lawyer >

It would be down to the cps. The ob may well have charged him with attempted murder originally but the cps may have felt this hard to prove hence the lesser charge.

 

[mx wcfc]

My experience (also non-lawyer) is that the CPS will often bring the charge that it's easiest for them to make stick. They can't prove that he meant to kill, so they won't bring that charge.

I had a car stolen by a drunk, uninsured, unlicensed 15 year old, who told OB that I had said he could borrow my car. They prosecuted him for drunk driving and driving without insurance etc, but not for stealing the car, because they couldn't PROVE that I hadn't lent him the car. Useless fucking wankers.

 

[Cid]

Thanks for that info , but attempted murder more fitting to the incident? Or not? </non-lawyer >

Has to be proven that he intended to kill.

 

[sealion]

My experience (also non-lawyer) is that the CPS will often bring the charge that it's easiest for them to make stick. They can't prove that he meant to kill, so they won't bring that charge.

That's right. He could have walked free from court on an attempted murder charge. I don't think the sentence for a/m is much heavier than the ten years he got anyway.

 

[William of Walworth]

Thanks for that help, Cid and Sea Lion -- I understand now.

 

[twentythreedom]

ACAB

 

[mx wcfc]

ACAB

Tbf, I think it's the CPS people are pissed off about in this instance about rather than OB, though more knowledgeable posters have explained things and we are all now a bit cleverer.

 

[twentythreedom]

True, but even still

 

[Cid]

It does also say he admitted to attempted GBH... So you've got a pretty much certain conviction vs a a drawn out trial for attempted murder where the required intent might not even be shown.

 

[NoXion]

Maybe someone can explain how someone competent enough to stand trial, can somehow fail to understand that pushing someone in front of a train has a good chance of killing them. Or is "I just deliberately pushed him into a situation highly likely to be fatal, it's not like I was actually trying to kill him" a good enough defence against a charge of attempted murder?

 

[not-bono-ever]

Part of the process- he would have taken a GBH with I rather than an AM one and the CPS would go for that to speed things up. what a wanker

 

[xenon]

My thoughts exactly. Getting hit by a train is usually pretty fatal.

Maybe someone can explain how someone competent enough to stand trial, can somehow fail to understand that pushing someone in front of a train has a good chance of killing them. Or is "I just deliberately pushed him into a situation highly likely to be fatal, it's not like I was actually trying to kill him" a good enough defence against a charge of attempted murder?

I'm guessing of course but maybe that charge was easy to prove and I seem to recall you can get a longer sentence for GBH than attempted murder in many cases.

I think I learned that on here actually. Though it was a discussion about causing death by dangerous drivingg IIRC .

 

[Smoking kills]

That's right. He could have walked free from court on an attempted murder charge. I don't think the sentence for a/m is much heavier than the ten years he got anyway.

I understood A.M. was Life sentence stuff. Tbf S18 may be too. All the same, as an occasional tube passenger I,d like people who shove people off platforms to get some serious bird.

 

[two sheds]

In civil cases you can use the phrase "further and in the alternative" can you not say that for criminal cases: "attemptive gbh and further and the alternative attempted murder"?

 

[sealion]

I understood A.M. was Life sentence stuff. Tbf S18 may be too.

http://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk...der_-_Definitive_Guideline_webaccessible1.pdf

http://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk...ssault_definitive_guideline_-_Crown_Court.pdf

 

[pk]

hope there's some BIG Polish cellmate waiting for him. With soap ready to be dropped. And no lube.