Falklands 40 years on ..
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Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Lol. You should do a bit of fact checking before you splash this stuff up, Ska. Especially if your source is the Argentine Foreign Minister, writing in The Guardian!
That guy is frankly deluded, in his article he seems to now be laying claim to South Georgia and the Sandwich Islands as well.
gosub
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Think he's got Putinitis
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
They have done for ages. Their claims to both are only slightly less mental than their Falklands one.
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Starry Wisdom
The penguins won't be happy
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
Penguins are never happy, it's part of their job description as angry angels of class-based retribution
gosub
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The ones that look like they are wearing dinner jackets or Emporor penguins?
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Starry Wisdom
They'll be more unhappy than usual
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Starry Wisdom
Yes
eatmorecheese
He's fallen out of the car again
It's the same old reiteration of the claim. Interesting that the line seems to be that Argentina seeks to respect the 'interests' and 'way of life' of the inhabitants, but not their wishes.Really interesting
Argentina criticises UK refusal to talk about future of Falklands
Foreign minister calls for improvement in bilateral relations 40 years after conflictwww.theguardian.com
includes the fact that the British government dont allow commercial flights between Argentina and the Falklands
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
I think it's definitely time for RAF Shannon within a wider Limerick protectorate - I mean, I know it's 300 miles from the UK, that it has a functioning democracy where its electorate have repeatedly confirmed their desire to remain Irish Citizens within an independent Irish state, but we'd offer them UK citizenship or money to leave, and the pope said we could have it 900 years ago, and you know, it would make us feel good.
Honestly, there are some people - both here and at the Grinaud - who are thicker than a Lion's Boxing Day turd...
Honestly, there are some people - both here and at the Grinaud - who are thicker than a Lion's Boxing Day turd...
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
Oi. Bugger off Tommy Atkins!
£50 and a shiny flag?
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
There you go with your fucking facts again!
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
Oh ok then.
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Argentina wants Hawaii? I'd pay to watch that one.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
It'll be just like David Vs Goliath - just without the sling, and where Goliath has nukes.
Laugh? I'd fucking soil myself.
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Starry Wisdom
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Sorry for linking to the Sunday World but the Irish Unionist Party seems to be just one young loon in the mould of Jacob Rees Mogg.
Irish unionist Tristan Morrow who wants Republic to join UK told he'd be 'skinned alive'
Irish unionist Tristan Morrow who wants Republic to join UK told he'd be 'skinned alive'
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
Gosh.
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Starry Wisdom
Yeh I saw that a while back, he claims about 20 other loons are members
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
A score of loons... oh my!
Eta: that's pretty good going actually, when you consider the population of Ireland and the utter bizarre quest he's on. I think they've got more members than the WSM had (and they had mostly good politics)
Eta: that's pretty good going actually, when you consider the population of Ireland and the utter bizarre quest he's on. I think they've got more members than the WSM had (and they had mostly good politics)
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
The trouble with the Falklands debate is that all the decent political posters know that the Argentine position on it is a total loser, so they steer well clear of it. That just leaves the 'UK bad, everyone else good' clowns, who just aren't up to snuff, and get incinerated within seconds of posting. We need some new lefties!
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
I watched the documentary, Tony Wilson really got a pasting didn't he? Came across like the classic stereotype chinless wonder. I was amazed how much his fellow officers laid into him.
I didn't realise how close it all came to disaster at times (and was an actual disaster in places), learnt a lot about the war. Sounded fucking horrible up on those mountains for the foot soldiers.
One thing it didn't touch on was the epic air raid organised by the RAF to bomb Stanley. It didn't make much impact but it was a hell of a thing to organise and carry out.
en.wikipedia.org
The Operation Black Buck raids were staged from RAF Ascension Island, close to the Equator. The Vulcan was designed for medium-range missions in Europe and lacked the range to fly to the Falklands without refuelling several times. The RAF's tanker planes were mostly converted Handley Page Victor bombers with similar range, so they too had to be refuelled in the air. A total of eleven tankers were required for two Vulcans (one primary and one reserve), a daunting logistical effort as all aircraft had to use the same runway. The Vulcans carried either twenty-one 1,000-pound (450 kg) bombs internally or two or four Shrike anti-radar missiles externally. Of the five Black Buck raids flown to completion, three were against Stanley Airfield's runway and operational facilities, while the other two were anti-radar missions using Shrike missiles against a Westinghouse AN/TPS-43 long-range 3D radar in the Port Stanley area. Shrikes hit two of the less valuable and rapidly replaced secondary fire control radars, causing some casualties among the Argentine crews. One Vulcan was nearly lost when a fuel shortage forced it to land in Brazil.
I didn't realise how close it all came to disaster at times (and was an actual disaster in places), learnt a lot about the war. Sounded fucking horrible up on those mountains for the foot soldiers.
One thing it didn't touch on was the epic air raid organised by the RAF to bomb Stanley. It didn't make much impact but it was a hell of a thing to organise and carry out.
Operation Black Buck - Wikipedia
The Operation Black Buck raids were staged from RAF Ascension Island, close to the Equator. The Vulcan was designed for medium-range missions in Europe and lacked the range to fly to the Falklands without refuelling several times. The RAF's tanker planes were mostly converted Handley Page Victor bombers with similar range, so they too had to be refuelled in the air. A total of eleven tankers were required for two Vulcans (one primary and one reserve), a daunting logistical effort as all aircraft had to use the same runway. The Vulcans carried either twenty-one 1,000-pound (450 kg) bombs internally or two or four Shrike anti-radar missiles externally. Of the five Black Buck raids flown to completion, three were against Stanley Airfield's runway and operational facilities, while the other two were anti-radar missions using Shrike missiles against a Westinghouse AN/TPS-43 long-range 3D radar in the Port Stanley area. Shrikes hit two of the less valuable and rapidly replaced secondary fire control radars, causing some casualties among the Argentine crews. One Vulcan was nearly lost when a fuel shortage forced it to land in Brazil.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I watched the documentary, Tony Wilson really got a pasting didn't he? Came across like the classic stereotype chinless wonder. I was amazed how much his fellow officers laid into him.
I didn't realise how close it all came to disaster at times (and was an actual disaster in places), learnt a lot about the war. Sounded fucking horrible up on those mountains for the foot soldiers.
One thing it didn't touch on was the epic air raid organised by the RAF to bomb Stanley. It didn't make much impact but it was a hell of a thing to organise and carry out.
Operation Black Buck - Wikipedia
The Operation Black Buck raids were staged from RAF Ascension Island, close to the Equator. The Vulcan was designed for medium-range missions in Europe and lacked the range to fly to the Falklands without refuelling several times. The RAF's tanker planes were mostly converted Handley Page Victor bombers with similar range, so they too had to be refuelled in the air. A total of eleven tankers were required for two Vulcans (one primary and one reserve), a daunting logistical effort as all aircraft had to use the same runway. The Vulcans carried either twenty-one 1,000-pound (450 kg) bombs internally or two or four Shrike anti-radar missiles externally. Of the five Black Buck raids flown to completion, three were against Stanley Airfield's runway and operational facilities, while the other two were anti-radar missions using Shrike missiles against a Westinghouse AN/TPS-43 long-range 3D radar in the Port Stanley area. Shrikes hit two of the less valuable and rapidly replaced secondary fire control radars, causing some casualties among the Argentine crews. One Vulcan was nearly lost when a fuel shortage forced it to land in Brazil.
If you haven't read it yet, I'd thoroughly recommend Vulcan 607.
Brilliant account of Black Buck.
spitfire
Walty McWaltface
I did, it is very good.
DaveCinzano
WATCH OUT, GEORGE, HE'S GOT A SCREWDRIVER!
There was a fairly in depth documentary about it on the 30th anniversary coverageI watched the documentary, Tony Wilson really got a pasting didn't he? Came across like the classic stereotype chinless wonder. I was amazed how much his fellow officers laid into him.
I didn't realise how close it all came to disaster at times (and was an actual disaster in places), learnt a lot about the war. Sounded fucking horrible up on those mountains for the foot soldiers.
One thing it didn't touch on was the epic air raid organised by the RAF to bomb Stanley. It didn't make much impact but it was a hell of a thing to organise and carry out.
Operation Black Buck - Wikipedia
The Operation Black Buck raids were staged from RAF Ascension Island, close to the Equator. The Vulcan was designed for medium-range missions in Europe and lacked the range to fly to the Falklands without refuelling several times. The RAF's tanker planes were mostly converted Handley Page Victor bombers with similar range, so they too had to be refuelled in the air. A total of eleven tankers were required for two Vulcans (one primary and one reserve), a daunting logistical effort as all aircraft had to use the same runway. The Vulcans carried either twenty-one 1,000-pound (450 kg) bombs internally or two or four Shrike anti-radar missiles externally. Of the five Black Buck raids flown to completion, three were against Stanley Airfield's runway and operational facilities, while the other two were anti-radar missions using Shrike missiles against a Westinghouse AN/TPS-43 long-range 3D radar in the Port Stanley area. Shrikes hit two of the less valuable and rapidly replaced secondary fire control radars, causing some casualties among the Argentine crews. One Vulcan was nearly lost when a fuel shortage forced it to land in Brazil.
kebabking
Not a Girly Swot, but I like them....
The documentary was actually quite disappointing - Wilson was sub-optimal but most of the poor plays he made were because of the poor hands he was dealt by Army and MOD.
In choosing two units on Public Duties (Welsh Guards and Scots Guards), instead of two light inf Bn's on the readiness list, the Army forced Wilson's hand. Neither of those units were fit or hard enough to walk across E Falkland in the way RM's or Paras had, and nor could they live outside at San Carlos or Mount Kent to secure the logistics bases - worth noting that Julian Thompson, the boss of 3 Cdo Bde, used 40 Cdo RM to secure the logistics lines across the island and to act as his reserve - and he considered them to be his best performing unit in a Bde with 3 RM Cdo's and 2 Para Bn's.
In choosing two units on Public Duties (Welsh Guards and Scots Guards), instead of two light inf Bn's on the readiness list, the Army forced Wilson's hand. Neither of those units were fit or hard enough to walk across E Falkland in the way RM's or Paras had, and nor could they live outside at San Carlos or Mount Kent to secure the logistics bases - worth noting that Julian Thompson, the boss of 3 Cdo Bde, used 40 Cdo RM to secure the logistics lines across the island and to act as his reserve - and he considered them to be his best performing unit in a Bde with 3 RM Cdo's and 2 Para Bn's.
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Starry Wisdom
If you liked that you'll love r v jones' most secret war
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