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Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

Kizmet said:
Then your HO is BS.
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Why? Murdoch doesn't even own a majority of media in the UK. In fact Trinity Mirror own far more local media, and are certainly more of a "player" in terms of employing people wanting to break into journalism that NI have ever been.
 
I wonder if Rupert is checking prices for the Idi Amin Retirement Suite at the Riyadh Hilton?
 
This thread is why I love and cherish the internet. Where else could an average nobody like me get to troll the entire News Corporation before a global audience?

Tim Berners Lee, I thank you.

*Doffs cap*
 
ViolentPanda said:
Why? Murdoch doesn't even own a majority of media in the UK. In fact Trinity Mirror own far more local media, and are certainly more of a "player" in terms of employing people wanting to break into journalism that NI have ever been.
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I would doubt many journos working at NI have started at the bottom there and worked their way up in any case. Their usual mo is to poach experienced staff from elsewhere by offering them a big salary - I've seen that happen quite a bit, especially with senior staff. One magazine editor I worked for accepted a more junior position - assistant editor to a mag - at NI in return for a Wapping big pay rise.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Bollocks.

It's not "impossible". It's certainly more difficult to follow your conscience when you don't have saleable skills or a sheaf of offers on the table, but it's nowhere near "impossible". Have a look at how many low-level staff have been involved in whistle-blowing, and you'll see what I mean. Try not to make sweeping generalisations, eh?

BTW, don't you feel a bit hypocritical having a pop at "middle class lefties", you middle-class leftie? :D
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I'm a walking middle-class cliche, VP, I don't deny it. Besides, we've earnt less than one minimum wage between us over the last seven years, so I don't feel very middle-class, all right. :mad:

It's down to how much of a compromise and how difficult the situation, really. Bailiff? You'd have to be very desperate, and able to prove it ... but people can get that desperate, there's no denying it. 14,000 more people are set to be excluded entirely from the benefits system with the IDS 'reforms' and plenty are already. We more or less are. Both hidden disabilities which don't prevent us working, just from getting work. We own our rusty old boat with no mooring so no housing benefit but bills, licence and maintenance are relatively massive. We move around, so signing on would be difficult, especially long-term. Lots of people are in a similar position, but without the fortunate choices we have. But we still have to compromise.

I used to be employed by the NHS, which sometimes meant working for Capita. Should I have refused? I dunno, perhaps. Depends on the project. Now I'm self-employed, I just charge them two to three times more, and tax them to subsidise what I charge the NHS. It's the best I can do.

We're all trapped in a shit system. I just think these sentiments need to be expressed carefully. A lot of people hate the left solely because they feel they're being sneered at from a position of moral superiority, and it's not helpful either for broadening support or for reducing the schisms and somewhat strained ideological divisions. That's all.
 
ymu said:
A lot of people hate the left solely because they feel they're being sneered at from a position of moral superiority, and it's not helpful either for broadening support or for reducing the schisms and somewhat strained ideological divisions. That's all.
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Where have I sneered at any workers below the level of the editorial staff at the NOTW? I explicitly explained that I wasn't.
 
Idris2002 said:
Assuming it was natural causes, yes.

Maxwell did a lot of business with the East Bloc, so he might well have had connections to the security organs. Though that's a bit OT.
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He had known connections with them, going back to WW2, when he worked for military intelligence and his name wasn't Robert Maxwell. It allowed him to "make himself useful" to SIS and the other alphabetties while also helping himself. It's part of how he pulled off some excellent academic publishing coups.
 
@sophyridge Rebekah also talked about her rise from a NotW trainee to it's Chief Executive, and says if there's anyone she's loyal to it's NotW
 
Citizen66 said:
I'm not sure I understand.

How can a resignation not be accepted? The company can expect you to work a contractually agreed notice period. But beyond that, it isn't prison.

Unless she was offering herself up as the sacrificial lamb but wasn't actually being serious in her resignation offer.
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It's happened to me twice. :D

Two different companies talked me into staying, with more money, one I stayed with for another few years until a take-over.

The other I resigned from again about 2 months later and they still tried to talk me into staying. :facepalm:
 
ViolentPanda said:
He had known connections with them, going back to WW2, when he worked for military intelligence and his name wasn't Robert Maxwell. It allowed him to "make himself useful" to SIS and the other alphabetties while also helping himself. It's part of how he pulled off some excellent academic publishing coups.
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The publishing contacts went right on through 'til the end. For some bizarre reason, my local library in the 1980s had the complete set of Ceaucescu's speeches, published by Maxwell's Pergamon Press. But that's going way OT. . .

Has Murdoch ever been linked to the spooks, as opposed to their political masters?
 
feel (fl)
v. felt (flt), feel·ing, feels
v.tr.
1.
a. To perceive through the sense of touch: feel the velvety smoothness of a peach.
b. To perceive as a physical sensation: feel a sharp pain; feel the cold.
2.
a. To touch.
b. To examine by touching. See Synonyms at touch.
3. To test or explore with caution: feel one's way in a new job.
4.
a. To undergo the experience of: felt my interest rising; felt great joy.
b. To be aware of; sense: felt the anger of the crowd.
c. To be emotionally affected by: She still feels the loss of her dog.
5.
a. To be persuaded of (something) on the basis of intuition, emotion, or other indefinite grounds: I feel that what the informant says may well be true.
b. To believe; think: She felt his answer to be evasive.
v.intr.
1. To experience sensations of touch.
2.
a. To produce a particular sensation, especially through the sense of touch: The sheets felt smooth.
b. To produce a particular impression; appear to be; seem: It feels good to be home. See Usage Note at well2.
3. To be conscious of a specified kind or quality of physical, mental, or emotional state: felt warm and content; feels strongly about the election.
4. To seek or explore something by the sense of touch: felt for the light switch in the dark.
5. To have compassion or sympathy: I feel for him in his troubles.
n.
1. Perception by or as if by touch; sensation: a feel of autumn in the air.
2. The sense of touch: a surface that is rough to the feel.
3.
a. An act or instance of touching or feeling.
b. Vulgar An act or instance of sexual touching or fondling.
4. The nature or quality of something as perceived by or as if by the sense of touch: "power steering that seems overassisted, eliminating road feel" (Mark Ginsburg).
5. Overall impression or effect; atmosphere: "gives such disparate pictures . . . a crazily convincing documentary feel" (Stephen King).
6. Intuitive awareness or natural ability: has a feel for decorating.
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It's not what you think, it's what you communicate that matters., lbj.
 
ymu said:
Would a hack know how to delete stuff in such a way that the police couldn't retrieve the information? How good is the average newspaper room IT department? :hmm:
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I asked this exact question elsewhere.
Answer was hard drive removal/swapping.
 
claphamboy said:
It's happened to me twice. :D

Two different companies talked me into staying, with more money, one I stayed with for another few years until a take-over.

The other I resigned from again about 2 months later and they still tried to talk me into staying. :facepalm:
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I can see that. Maybe they offered her more money for being so toxic, who knows?

But I doubt they've chained her to the radiator. Although that would be funnier.
 
Just did hardcore direct action. Big pile of Sun newspapers so I put a copy of the Mirror on top so nobody will think the Sun is there. Just watching out for the feds now....
 
It'll be fun hanging round my local newsagents on Sunday. Anyone buying the NOTW will be hiding it inside a copy of Razzle so they feel less embarrassed.
 
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