Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[sunny jim]

There's never been a campaign like this to fuck off advertisers from a company we hate but because of social media this has been a success. Dont get me wrong, I hate all corporations, but I would be so glad if them cunts at NI hit the dust.
One things true the hapless hacks have got loads of space to fill up, what with 18 companies not advertising with them.

 

[laptop]

One things true the hapless hacks have got loads of space to fill up, what with 18 companies not advertising with them.

Nope. The thing to watch is the total page-count of Sunday's edition and the one after, compared to last Sunday and the one before.

When there's shedloads of advertising the hacks have to produce filler pieces, to keep the editorial:advertising ratio up - not least because advertising in amongst editorial material commands much higher prices than that in the "ad desert" near the back.

When ads are scarce, editorial is cut back too.

 

[editor]

In case anyone missed it, the shit just keeps on getting shittier:

News of the World investigator may have targeted families of dead soldiers
Scotland Yard investigating claims that contact details of soldiers' relatives appear in Glenn Mulcaire's notebooks

Scotland Yard is investigating claims that families of members of the armed forces killed in Afghanistan and Iraq have been targeted by Glenn Mulcaire, a private investigator who worked for the News of the World.

The revelation is likely to further shock the public, who have already reacted with horror to news that the paper intercepted voicemails left on a phone belonging to murdered schoolgirl Milly Dowler and targeted the phones of families of victims of the 7/7 attacks.

MPH Solicitors, whose clients include Samantha Roberts, the widow of Sergeant Steven Roberts of the 2nd Royal Tank Regiment, said they had been contacted on Wednesday by a newspaper and told Roberts's phone may have been hacked, along with a mobile belonging to Geraldine McCool, her lawyer.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/06/news-world-investigator-families-dead-soldiers

 

[agricola]

Agricola has a point about Baldwin.

Peter Oborne - Tory to the marrow but entirely on the ball on this:

Thanks for that, and that Oborne piece deserves to be read in full. That graph is brilliant, as well:

 

[ymu]

i don't think its "important" to find more victims, i think its being used to cover up the bigger story, which is the systematic use of hacking by more or less all printed media in this country, apparently.

Oh. We've covered that. Wedge strategy - concentrate all the force on the weakest point. If Murdoch topples, the whole sorry lot are in our sights. He wriggles out, and we lose the chance.

And besides, the other media are decidedly small fry compared to getting the Met and Downing Street on the hook.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

I never thought I would link to the Spectator on U75, but this appears to be a very good piece.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/7075673/what-the-papers-wont-say.thtml

ETA: Soz, I see it's been done.

 

[laptop]

Oh. We've covered that. Wedge strategy - concentrate all the force on the weakest point. If Murdoch topples, the whole sorry lot are in our sights. He wriggles out, and we lose the chance.

Which is why, if you listened carefully to Cameron's "concession" at PM's Question Time at lunchtime, it was an inquiry or two into the whole of the media - to get Murdoch off the hook.

And himself off the hook for consorting with Murdoch - which is why Labour will go along with it, aware of their consortingness.

 

[ymu]

News of the World hires QC involved in botched hacking inquiry http://gu.com/p/3vcp5/tf

He's a Lib Dem peer, too. That's beautiful, just beautiful. The illusion of competence has entirely disappeared. They are so fucking fucked.

Which is why, if you listened carefully to Cameron's "concession" at PM's Question Time at lunchtime, it was an inquiry or two into the whole of the media - to get Murdoch off the hook.

And himself off the hook for consorting with Murdoch - which is why Labour will go along with it, aware of their consortingness.

Oh yes. He is desperate to make this into a story about bad hacks and not craven governments.

Tad too late, methinks, Davey boy. It's much more fun following the trail to Maggie's old front door. We have scores to settle.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

these kind of dynamics are well addressed in the Oborne / Spectator piece above.

 

[agricola]

And besides, the other media are decidedly small fry compared to getting the Met and Downing Street on the hook.

That is nonsensical, though. This whole issue is about the tabloid media, and what they (ie: not just NI as should be clear) have been up to - if it does affect the Met, it would be because of corruption of some officers by the tabloid media, and/or intimidation of the police by the tabloid media. The same goes for Downing Street - except of course that the alternative to Cameron et al is of course the party that was even further up Murdochs arse than iDave is, to the extent that they employed Baldwin, despite his history.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/m...s-unite-in-anger-at-enemy-within-2308269.html

"The Enemy Within" indeed.

 

[ymu]

That is nonsensical, though. This whole issue is about the tabloid media, and what they (ie: not just NI as should be clear) have been up to - if it does affect the Met, it would be because of corruption of some officers by the tabloid media, and/or intimidation of the police by the tabloid media. The same goes for Downing Street - except of course that the alternative to Cameron et al is of course the party that was even further up Murdochs arse than iDave is, to the extent that they employed Baldwin, despite his history.

You are obsessed!

C4 News yesterday put Blair firmly in the frame, if it makes you happy. But, once more, 'Downing Street' refers to the office of the Prime Minister, not an individual. Every PM since Daniel Morgan was murdered is in this frame. And yes, the finger is pointing at Thatcher as the originator of this craven obeisance to Murdoch.

And if you think the Met isn't in the frame, well ... we'll see, eh.

 

[agricola]

You are obsessed!

C4 News yesterday put Blair firmly in the frame, if it makes you happy. But, once more, 'Downing Street' refers to the office of the Prime Minister, not an individual. Every PM since Daniel Morgan was murdered is in this frame. And yes, the finger is pointing at Thatcher as the originator of this craven obeisance to Murdoch.

And if you think the Met isn't in the frame, well ... we'll see, eh.

Do you have those links that suggest the NOTW was involved in Morgan's murder yet?

 

[ymu]

Do you have those links that suggest the NOTW was involved in Morgan's murder yet?

Ooh, touchy!

I take it you concede the point, as you choose not to defend it. Now, did you watch the C4 news report like I suggested? Or are you too busy wrapping yourself in cognitive dissonance?

 

[agricola]

Ooh, touchy!

I take it you concede the point, as you choose not to defend it. Now, did you watch the C4 news report like I suggested? Or are you too busy wrapping yourself in cognitive dissonance?

The C4 report did not contain what you claim it contained - it reported that the officer investigating the Daniel Morgan murder (as part of the fourth or fifth inquiry) was being followed by private investigators from the NOTW, not that Morgan was himself being followed by such people before he died.

 

[shagnasty]

I just can't see an endgame for this, it started with guardian making accusations and it as got bigger over time.Brooks is the main target by her association with cameron,i think my reading of news stories has quadruple over the last few days

 

[ymu]

The C4 report did not contain what you claim it contained - it reported that the officer investigating the Daniel Morgan murder (as part of the fourth or fifth inquiry) was being followed by private investigators from the NOTW, not that Morgan was himself being followed by such people before he died.

You're correct, my apologies. That is a highly confuddled post!

I'd be shocked if it didn't come back to them though. NOTW interfered with a murder investigation, fifteen years after the murder took place. That fifteen years saw multiple police cover-ups and corruption, leading to five collapsed trials as of 2010. At the time of the murder, the victim was about to expose massive police corruption, and his partner was making a great living tapping corrupt police for information to sell to the tabloids. Other suspects include another firm of detectives who were working for NOTW at the time.

And the murder happened in 1987, at the height of Thatcher and her craven sucking up to the all powerful Murdoch.

I am not buying the coincidence theory, sorry. There is no way in the world they were following him because they thought he was having an affair with his own wife. It's a ludicrous excuse.

 

[Badgers]

According to the 2010 list of Forbes richest Americans, Murdoch is the 38th richest person in the US and the 117th-richest person in the world, with a net worth of $6.2 billion.

BBC radio this morning estimate that this week the Murdoch family have lost £600m.
News Corp's share price down 3.5% at the New York open on Wednesday.

 

[rollinder]

somebody else to target or boycott by not clicking or buying from his affiliate links:
Mr moneysavingexpert Martin Lewis is trying to justify carrying on taking NOTW money
for his column & even rabid mser's are turning against him.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3342530
Apparently the current editor's told it's a completely different paper now and all that nasty phone hacking
had stopped by the time he joined (in 2008 I think)

 

[Badgers]

Biggest advertisers by revenue according to the BBC:

How about the following companies:

Amazon
eBay
British Gas
Microsoft
Apple
HTC
Dell
Hewlett Packard

 

[Badgers]

Mr moneysavingexpert Martin Lewis is trying to justify carrying on taking NOTW money
for his column & even rabid mser's are turning against him.

Good point, who are the other columnists writing for the NOTW?
We need lists dammit!!!

 

[MellySingsDoom]

Good point, who are the other columnists writing for the NOTW?
We need lists dammit!!!

Does Julie Birchill still write for Murdoch's lot?

 

[Badgers]

Does Julie Birchill still write for Murdoch's lot?

I have no idea who writes? Quick Google which may not be 100% current or correct and not complete. Will look later....

Gary Lineker
Dave Gorman
Martin Lewis
Dr Hilary Jones
Ian Hyland
Andy Dunn
Rob Shepherd
Carole Malone
Anna Smith
Amanda Holden
Lee Nelson
Fraser Nelson
Dan Wootton
Sam Dunn
Robbie Collin

 

[Badgers]

Another (smaller) advertiser to contact
http://www.westminstercollection.com/information/about-us.aspx

The Westminster Collection is a leading distributor of collectable stamps and coins, acting on behalf of Postal Administrations, Mints and Ministries of Finance across the globe. However, the roots of our family business go right back to 1945.

 

[Voley]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14052909

Potentially equally damaging?

Col Richard Kemp, former commander of British forces in Afghanistan, told the BBC when he heard about the allegations he was "absolutely speechless with anger".

"If these allegations are true the thing that makes it most shocking is that this newspaper, the News of the World, and its sister paper the Sun, have been so incredibly staunch in their support for British soldiers and British forces," he said.

 

[Stanley Edwards]

Five NOTW journalists and executives expected to be arrested in the coming few days.

Looks like they have actually lost any 'control' they had. Hopefully we're going to see proper justice this time.

 

[Badgers]

BBC London mentioned that The Sun have a postage stamp size story on its front page.

 

[London_Calling]

The advertisers will look after themselves. The more interesting (of that type of) question is how will the sales of NofW be on Sundy - what will be the response of the great tabloid-buying British public..... I imagine it'll be 'What's Cheryl been up to this week?'

 

[MellySingsDoom]

BBC London mentioned that The Sun have a postage stamp size story on its front page.

Tis true - I saw a scan of it this morning, but (dammit) can't source it at the moment (have to get to work too) - it's at the top left hand hand of the front page.

 

[dylans]

All this information is old right? I mean, the police had the notebooks that contained these details as long ago as 2006. The stuff about Dowlers phone, the stuff about the soldiers. All this was contained in the PIs notebooks. There is nothing in these revelations which is recent or new. Which raises the very real issue of why the police sat on this until now.