Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[London_Calling]

You don't think that question has been "raised" quite a lot in the past few days already? What do you think the second inquiry is about?

 

[dylans]

You don't think that question has been "raised" quite a lot in the past few days already? What do you think the second inquiry is about?

It's just a question of clarification really. I am right to think that this info has been in police possession for years right?

 

[London_Calling]

Yep, in doc's they picked up from Mulcaire in 2006.

 

[dennisr]

All this information is old right? I mean, the police had the notebooks that contained these details as long ago as 2006. The stuff about Dowlers phone, the stuff about the soldiers. All this was contained in the PIs notebooks. There is nothing in these revelations which is recent or new. Which raises the very real issue of why the police sat on this until now.

There was the Sheridan trial to get out of the way first...

 

[ymu]

It's just a question of clarification really. I am right to think that this info has been in police possession for years right?

Yeah. Remember the Keir Starmer/John Yates spat about which one of them had decided it was only illegal to hack someone's voicemail if they hadn't already listened to the messages? That's the trick they used to keep the last investigation very limited, and then they tried to blame each other when the shit hit the fan.

 

[dylans]

Yep, in doc's they picked up from Mulcaire in 2006.

yeah, Mulcaires notebooks. So how and why has the guardian been able to release it now. I mean has the information been held confidentially by the police. Or has it been out there all the time without anyone picking up on it. Why and how has Guardian been able to reveal this now. I mean we have the drip drip of the celeb stuff all through this year. What was the guardians source for the Dowler story? I have looked back through the Guardian but all it says is "the Guardian can reveal".

 

[ymu]

yeah, Mulcaires notebooks. So how and why has the guardian been able to release it now. I mean has the information been held confidentially by the police. Or has it been out there all the time without anyone picking up on it. Why and how has Guardian been able to reveal this now. I mean we have the drip drip of the celeb stuff all through this year. What was the guardians source for the Dowler story? I have looked back through the Guardian but all it says is "the Guardian can reveal".

The Met has been forced to investigate, and seem to be doing it properly this time. 70 officers on it - the largest Met investigation of modern times, according to one article.

We've already speculated about the source and timing of this week's stuff. Not sure we know yet.

 

[paolo]

yeah, Mulcaires notebooks. So how and why has the guardian been able to release it now. I mean has the information been held confidentially by the police. Or has it been out there all the time without anyone picking up on it. Why and how has Guardian been able to reveal this now. I mean we have the drip drip of the celeb stuff all through this year. What was the guardians source for the Dowler story? I have looked back through the Guardian but all it says is "the Guardian can reveal".

I've been assuming it's the victims/victims' reps.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

I've been assuming it's the victims/victims' reps.

Yes, I've had the impression that plod have been going round informing potential victims over the past few months, and that has been filtering back to the Guardian.

 

[Badgers]

I saw a copy of the Sun this morning.
Surprisingly on the dashboard of a white Transit van

 

[dylans]

The Met has been forced to investigate, and seem to be doing it properly this time. 70 officers on it - the largest Met investigation of modern times, according to one article.

We've already speculated about the source and timing of this week's stuff. Not sure we know yet.

oh ok, so basically the cops got hold of Mulcaires documents around 2006 complete with all this revelatory stuff and instead of opening it up and reading it they stuck it in a file and left it to gather dust and only now that they have been forced to investigate properly has anyone bothered to open his notebooks and read them? Nah I don't buy it. If this stuff has been in the police's possession since 2006 then they knew what it contained and they chose to sit on it. This was a policy decision from the top

 

[Divisive Cotton]

so is anybody organising a public news of the world paper burning session?

 

[Barking_Mad]

somebody else to target or boycott by not clicking or buying from his affiliate links:
Mr moneysavingexpert Martin Lewis is trying to justify carrying on taking NOTW money
for his column & even rabid mser's are turning against him.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3342530
Apparently the current editor's told it's a completely different paper now and all that nasty phone hacking
had stopped by the time he joined (in 2008 I think)

http://blog.moneysavingexpert.com/2011/07/06/my-column-at-the-news-of-the-world/

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=3342530

 

[weltweit]

It seems to me that the police are still leaky like a sieve.

From whom else could this current information be coming.

So there may be other newspapers than NOTW paying for information from the police. Of if not paying, then getting it leaked.

Or are the police revealing this information in press releases / conferences?

 

[ymu]

oh ok, so basically the cops got hold of Mulcaires documents around 2006 complete with all this revelatory stuff and instead of opening it up and reading it they stuck it in a file and left it to gather dust and only now that they have been forced to investigate properly has anyone bothered to open his notebooks and read them? Nah I don't buy it. If this stuff has been in the police's possession since 2006 then they knew what it contained and they chose to sit on it. This was a policy decision from the top

Well, yes. Obviously. Check my Keir Starmer/John Yates post just above the one you replied to. John Yates is now trying to blame his corrupt minions for lying to him (he seems to prefer 'gullible incompetent twat' to 'criminal' as a label).

 

[miss.w]

I heard on R4 this morning that Murdoch has put Brooks in charge of the internal investigation- its just getting even more farcical

 

[xenon]

so is anybody organising a public news of the world paper burning session?

Someone else's copy, obv.

 

[dylans]

Well, yes. Obviously. Check my Keir Starmer/John Yates post just above the one you replied to. John Yates is now trying to blame his corrupt minions for lying to him (he seems to prefer 'gullible incompetent twat' to 'criminal' as a label).

Yeah, Yates has already been accused of misleading Parliament by Labours Chris Bryant during the Commons Home Affairs Committee in 2010. So this goes all the way to the top.

Mr Bryant has claimed Mr Yates misled Parliament over the number of alleged phone-hacking victims when he appeared before the committee last year.
In his latest appearance before MPs, Mr Bryant said: "There is a real danger that the Met (Police) is at least, it might be perceived, to be in collusion with the newspapers that we are talking about."
When it was put to him that that was a "very serious allegation", he responded: "Mr Yates has defended the idea that senior police officers regularly have to dine with senior executives at newspapers and journalists.

He also claimed Mr Yates had been "disingenuous in the extreme" regarding the number of victims because the Met had failed to properly investigate much of the evidence.
"In the end, my complaint is all this evidence has sat there, the police didn't interrogate it, for whatever set of reasons, lots of people ended up having a completely false impression and the full criminality was not heard," he said.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Po...Over-Met-Police-Probe/Article/201103415962217

 

[pk]

Sky News link?? Pinch of salt required...

 

[claphamboy]

BBC just reported that N-Power is the latest to suspend their ads with the NOTW.

 

[weltweit]

Does anyone know how it has come out that NOTW may have been hacking the families of killed soldiers?

What I mean is, who released that information to the media?

 

[dylans]

Sky News link?? Pinch of salt required...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/apr/05/phone-hacking-john-yates-police

Yates has claimed repeatedly that police found only 10 or 12 people whose voicemail had been intercepted by the News of the World. Evidence has since emerged, however, that police knew of "a vast number" of victims.

 

[pk]

Does anyone know how it has come out that NOTW may have been hacking the families of killed soldiers?

What I mean is, who released that information to the media?

Can't be too hard to hack the cellphones of the journos...

 

[Badgers]

BBC just reported that N-Power is the latest to suspend their ads with the NOTW.

Excellent news.
Anyone know if British Gas advertise with them?

 

[Gingerman]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14052909
Royal British Leigon are going to drop the NoTW as it's campaigning partner,that's a big blow to the rag that 'cares for Our Boys'

 

[trevhagl]

has anyone seen this thats doing the rounds of Facebook?

Subject: scum freepost address
The Sun and News of the World Voucher Exchange, FREEPOST SL2163,
Gerrards Cross SL9 0ZX - THERE YA GO PEEPS tell them what ya think at their expense

 

[trevhagl]

i think it's bizarre that its taken this for companies to withdraw advertising, given all the evils Murdoch has done in the past, but who's complaining!!

 

[dylans]

Yeah. Remember the Keir Starmer/John Yates spat about which one of them had decided it was only illegal to hack someone's voicemail if they hadn't already listened to the messages? That's the trick they used to keep the last investigation very limited, and then they tried to blame each other when the shit hit the fan.

Just been reading back about this. Basically Yates was attempting to justify not investigating or prosecuting on the basis of a narrow interpretation of one law ( the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act (Ripa) which he interpreted as only applying if the messages had not been heard by the intended recipient. It seems a particularly grubby attempt to defend inaction and anyway was rejected by witnesses who pointed out that the police knew that RIPA wasn't the only law available to them.

Starmer said police had certainly been aware that Ripa was not the only law available to them. They had been told that a conspiracy charge or a charge under the Computer Misuse Act would raise no question about whether voicemail had been heard: "They were aware of, advised of and proceeded on the basis that other offences were available," he said.

"The police must have known in 2006 that prosecutors were not working with the narrow version of the law ... Had the police thought at the time that the only messages which counted were those which had not been listened to, they would certainly have queried the indictment as soon as they saw it. The indictment is clear, contemporaneous evidence of the state of mind of the police and counsel at the time of the prosecution, namely that before/after did not matter."

In a statement, Chris Bryant said: "His evidence makes it abundantly clear that, contrary to the evidence given by John Yates, there was absolutely no legal reason why the Metropolitan police should have restricted their investigation in 2006."

In a nutshell Yates is a corrupt cunt who should go to jail
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/apr/05/phone-hacking-john-yates-police

 

[dylans]

has anyone seen this thats doing the rounds of Facebook?

Subject: scum freepost address
The Sun and News of the World Voucher Exchange, FREEPOST SL2163,
Gerrards Cross SL9 0ZX - THERE YA GO PEEPS tell them what ya think at their expense

can we send poo?

( or better, we could send them our garbage.)

 

[smokedout]

I saw a copy of the Sun this morning.
Surprisingly on the dashboard of a white Transit van

fucking ignorant chavs