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gavman said:
yawn. the 'line' is journalism v gossip, butch.
i used to walk, with my grandad, to the corner shop in wembley to buy the notw on sunday mornings butch. my gran used to moan about the 'coloureds' moving into her road butch. she got the paper she deserved, because she paid for it every week and agreed with it's editorial line butch. she helped perpetuate it by supporting it financially butch. how is she not partly responsible for the content, style and approach of that title? butch
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what does your granny's racism have to do with journalism vs gossip?
 
agricola said:
Maybe, that depends if Cameron is idiot enough to put a three line whip on it. If he has a brain he will give a free vote on his side, watch Labour win this motion, and then watch the tabloids crucify Miliband and Labour - for instance, there are already rumours that tomorrows Mail is going to go for Tom Baldwin.... and you would think that, given how close NI were between 1997 and 2009, they will have a lot more stuff than that to use.
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This?
 
butchersapron said:
From the start, why no single inquiry?
Answer? He wants to split them up so they produced diff results at diff times, without linking the context

Why would he not have third one hidden away in in his armoury that is supposed to overcome the shortcomings that he knows these two expose - esp given that there is supposed to be a lot more serious stuff coming.

This is a simple point - it's not mental, it's not incomprehensible. You an agree or disagree with it, it's not zany or left-field though. It's defenisble and there's evidence to support it. Don't go down this road roman.
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No, it is zany. Two inquiries are for two separate (ish) issues, and one of them will be more serious than the other one will. Having a third inquiry to follow on from the first two makes no sense, given what inquiries are usually carried out for (ie: to kick things into the long grass and to avoid blame at the relevant time), and it would inevitably rehash much of what the first two did.
 
Badgers said:
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There's some weird characters in AKA's URL.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/08/ed-miliband-broken-omerta-old-monster

Polly Toynbee said:
Don't imagine this act of defiance will be painless or without consequence. Already a senior Miliband aide tells me they received a "very hostile" threat, not veiled at all, from a News International journalist warning: "You have made it personal about Rebekah, so we'll make it personal about you." Braggadocio maybe, but as the recipient of the threat said: "That's how they operate." And it can be terrifying. Bugging, blagging and Benji the Binman send shudders down many a spine. The spell is broken, but the terror may not be over.
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Tempted to stand in the newsagents all day tomorrow and call anyone who picks it up a prick, but if it's sunny i will have a BBQ instead.
 
B0B2oo9 said:
Tempted to stand in the newsagents all day tomorrow and call anyone who picks it up a prick, but if it's sunny i will have a BBQ instead.
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So there is an extended print run tomorrow because everyone is expected to buy it as a collectors item. Not much of a collectors item if there are 5 million of the things is it? 5 million copies? It's hardly going to become a rare and valuable item anytime soon is it?
 
someone's been tweeting from the sun politics twitter account when they shouldn't have been! tweet now deleted...

@sun_politics: NotW - RIP. A loss to 1st class jrnalism. Miliband, Gdn & BBC; how proud u must be of yr work
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now we could talk all day about alienation, misogyny, violence within culture and why it has developed and the press' role in that (which i dont think is as great as you suggest), but thats where we're at - you can't socially engineer us away from that by legislating the press

basically your talking about aesthetics, tabloids may not suit everyones sense of taste, but lots of people read them

i agree their should be greater, or in fact equal right to redress for people without the money to hire lawyers, in fact its kind of my point, but that can be achieved without any need to further legislate against the media, although it doesn't seem to be particularly high on hugh grant's agenda

grant gave the game away when he talked of privacy being a commodity, my privacy is worth feck all - his is worth something, so i suppose it could be described as a commodity, but only because of the shit he claims to be so opposed to - he wants it both ways
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butchersapron said:
Looks like Rusbriger warned Ashdown too - wtf was he playing at (if him or from info that came from him) ? Is this the media's job now? Saving the parties from potential embarrassment? It's getting a bit close to home for them too now maybe...
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I've been puzzling over that.

What would have happened if Cameron had listened? Off the top of my head, Rusbridger would have waited until Coulson's trial to go public with the fact that Cameron had been about to appoint Coulson. A weaker effect on the Tories than this, but an effect nonetheless.

As it is, it's perfect: Cameron went ahead, and is now in deep doo-doo.

Well - nearly perfect. It's possible the coalition will fall apart before recess on (IIRC) 27 July. Impossible to say what may happen over the summer if it doesn't. But the Tories - much more than the LibDems (who Rusbridger was supporting, expecting a Lab/Lib coalition, wasn't he?) are wounded.

But it's far from clear that Labour wants to be in government in the next twelve months, or the next 24. (Still less in coalition with a LibDem rump!) They'd end up implementing the cuts, the privatisation of the NHS, etc, claiming an IMF gun at their heads...
 
Ah - Ashdown's warning was after the election and before the coalition. Was Rusbridger trying to broker that Lab/Lib government?
 
butchersapron said:
That's allright gav, you don't need to look at or defend your own words.
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no i don't. having posted on this 128 page thread, where i've posted since the beginning mainly on the media reporting of the story, and having linked to media reports, i don't think that one personal anecdote post # three thousand and something can be said to outweigh my view of the story as perceived through other media
 
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