Missing Milly Dowler's voicemail "hacked by News of the World"

[gavman]

What are the issues that you need clarification on co-op? Beyond not being able to get it from my posts i mean?

edit: Maybe i'm a secret murdoch agent? Wtf is there to talk about her beyond reporting what's going an and talking about posters reactions to that?

there seemed a fair bit of direct action at one point. you know, 'bout the time the news of the world got shut down?

 

[ViolentPanda]

'material that interests the public but isn't in the public interest'. gossip, scandal, tittle tattle, none of it news, none of it journalism

Actually, it's one of the oldest forms of reportage, even back in the days of mass illiteracy. That's why minstrels sang scandalous songs about the wealthy. It's also why people like Hearst were able to make millions out of low and yellow journalism even a hundred years ago. You take a grain of truth, and you wrap it in an easily digestible package that people are willing to consume.

 

[ViolentPanda]

As agricola explained (albeit in different terms), your 'point' moves more frequently than Gadaffi being targeted by NATO.

Will Self was arguing the British public effectively incited NOtW to act in the way they did by buying it in vast quantities - 4 in 10 papers sold on a Sunday. They wanted it, they got it. Was his view. What's yours?

I think Self's answer was pat, and on the surface it appears accurate, but it isn't, because the purchase of a paper doesn't equate to an endorsement of either the politics of that paper, or the practices of its' owner.

 

[ViolentPanda]

yet here he is discussing drugs, lap dancers and shagging courtney love with piers morgan

The last person I'd want to double-team Courtney Love with would be Piers Morgan.

 

[smokedout]

looks like NI have registered the scum on sunday..
http://webwhois.nic.uk/cgi-bin/whoi...nday.co.uk&WHOIS+Submit.x=20&WHOIS+Submit.y=7

on the 5th, same day ford pulled out, before 'it was sunny what won it's campaign started, before mums net

wade said you'll understand in a year why we've had to close, does that sound like a spur of the moment decision?

ever get the feeling you've been cheated

 

[AKA pseudonym]

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[AKA pseudonym]

Theres a PDf coming soon of the NOTW.....

 

[Ranbay]

Should we leave a voice mail?

 

[AKA pseudonym]

on the 5th, same day ford pulled out, before 'it was sunny what won it's campaign started, before mums net

wade said you'll understand in a year why we've had to close, does that sound like a spur of the moment decision?

ever get the feeling you've been cheated

lulz.. we have a few other sites reg'd too

 

[gavman]

schaudenfruede for the masses. it caters for a base human characteristic, and shouldn't be allowed monopoly or political influence.
however, the point has been well argued elsewhere that wapping took credit for what it hadn't won, namely major and blair's election victories, and that political leaders bought into a myth. try telling that to michael foot or neil kinnock...

e2a
crap, i keep doing this, that was in response to vp above. should've quoted

 

[gavman]

I think Self's answer was pat, and on the surface it appears accurate, but it isn't, because the purchase of a paper doesn't equate to an endorsement of either the politics of that paper, or the practices of its' owner.

i just think it does equate to their prejudices and baser instincts however

 

[two sheds]

So Cameron admits to being another of Murdoch's 'yes-men'

He [Cameron] also admitted that his desire to win support from the company's newspapers had led him to turn "a blind eye" as evidence grew of widespread illegality at the News of the World.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/hacking-scandal-is-this-britains-watergate-2309487.html

 

[gavman]

Actually, it's one of the oldest forms of reportage, even back in the days of mass illiteracy. That's why minstrels sang scandalous songs about the wealthy. It's also why people like Hearst were able to make millions out of low and yellow journalism even a hundred years ago. You take a grain of truth, and you wrap it in an easily digestible package that people are willing to consume.

just reminded me i bought some eccles cakes earlier. this thread has been useful, you see butch?

 

[smokedout]

no i don't. having posted on this 128 page thread, where i've posted since the beginning mainly on the media reporting of the story, and having linked to media reports, i don't think that one personal anecdote post # three thousand and something can be said to outweigh my view of the story as perceived through other media

but it was a crap anecdote, were the tabloids responsible for granny's racism or did grannys racism make the tabloids racist - or was it just one particular viewpoint at the time reflected in a number of ways throughout society

in any event its irrelevant to your previous tittle tattle arguments, the two things are entirely seperate, as shown by the fact the most nakedly right wing mainstream paper in the uk is a broadsheet and the furthest to the left is a red top

 

[OneStrike]

Deleted while still drunk.

 

[AKA pseudonym]

That numbers a trap, called it myself within seconds of it being released on twitter, it rang twice then i got some sort of written warning that i have been reported to my operator! Won't be sleeping tonight .

huh? was going ironically to voicemail earlier.. will remove if so.. came from @exNOTW geezer

 

[OneStrike]

Deleted, too drunk to make sense of stuff, potential aggro with lounge rug.

 

[AKA pseudonym]

Hey, i'm half cut, i didn't mean to suggest it is a planned trap.'i got the same number from the same source, soz if it came across wrong, happy to delete posts if desired. Regardless, i've never received that sort of message before, the elite have their own specification ime.

deleted it just in case.. its widely available now... btw that twitter a/c has vanished too???

 

[gavman]

what does your granny's racism have to do with journalism vs gossip?

we get the press we deserve, and an awful lot of people deserve the notw.
it reflected their world view back at them, as do all papers.

the shit in papers is a direct reflection of the shit in people, and at some point this general outrage needs to be tempered by that knowledge. even killing off the murdochs won't change that, someone will replace them to cater to the same market. the digger is just someone who operates a daily, mass opinion poll.
he knows better than anyone what people are interested in, he gets the results every day. certain types of story sell, so those are the ones that get printed. certain names sell papers, as do certain things. so long as the scandal sheets have no political power, they can continue to trade in embarrassing gossip.
but that sort of salacious detail is used to influence politics, so something has to change.

 

[AKA pseudonym]

Mystic Meg shocked to lose her horoscope job at NOTW. Why didn't she see it coming?

 

[gavman]

but it was a crap anecdote, were the tabloids responsible for granny's racism or did grannys racism make the tabloids racist - or was it just one particular viewpoint at the time reflected in a number of ways throughout society

in any event its irrelevant to your previous tittle tattle arguments, the two things are entirely seperate, as shown by the fact the most nakedly right wing mainstream paper in the uk is a broadsheet and the furthest to the left is a red top

see above, and
the torygraph more right wing than the fail?
have to disagree old chap. the torygrapy is the conservative in-house paper, but the fail is further to the right. on social policy especially

 

[DotCommunist]

society deserves the sport because some people like a cheap wank rag.

 

[frogwoman]

furthest to the left is the mirror surely?

 

[ericjarvis]

Looks like Rusbriger warned Ashdown too - wtf was he playing at (if him or from info that came from him) ? Is this the media's job now? Saving the parties from potential embarrassment? It's getting a bit close to home for them too now maybe...

A perfect example of one of the issues being quietly ignored. I don't think journalists and politicians have any concept of responsibility. Rusbridger isn't thinking about a duty to keep his readers informed, he's trying to be a political mover and shaker. Ashdown isn't interested in his constituents, he's trying to play the media to make his party look good. Because basically what the media and politicians are doing is playing stupid fucking games with their mates completely oblivious to anyone and anything else. Including the things they are supposedly paid to do.

I have to admit I'm bloody glad I never tried to get into journalism as a career and that I dropped out of politics in the early 90s. In either career I'd be puking at the mere thought of meeting any of my colleagues.

 

[ericjarvis]

furthest to the left is the mirror surely?

Really? Can't say I've been sure of that for the last 20 years. It's supposed to be, but it has hardly been significantly left of centre for as long as I can remember.

 

[DotCommunist]

furthest to the left is the mirror surely?

a redtop ennit, and a paper so blind to Labour they ran a 'we *heart* mandy' front page once lol.

i'd say the leftiest tabloid we have, unless we are counting the morning star

 

[gavman]

interrupted a perfectly good walk to come back to this thread. at least vp reminded me about the eccles cake.
there's a beautiful half moon tonight so i'm off again. it's been...something or other

 

[laptop]

Rusbridger isn't thinking about a duty to keep his readers informed, he's trying to be a political mover and shaker..

It's my guess that's what he was doing.

But had he gone public with the stuff he had on Coulson then, he'd have been appealing to be let out of jail right now. Loads of stuff - what's likely to turn out to be the most important stuff legally, about corrupt cops - wasn't reportable because to do so would be in contempt of the court trying Jonathan Rees.

 

[laptop]

Somehow the Telegraph manages to get an interview with Met Assistant Commissioner John Yates - he who decided not to re-open the investigation.

Summed up in his own words - how the hack must have enjoyed putting in this self-destructive sentence:

I do want to get across a tone of humility.

 

[smokedout]

Really? Can't say I've been sure of that for the last 20 years. It's supposed to be, but it has hardly been significantly left of centre for as long as I can remember.

i said furthest to the left, not left