Millwall fans conform with stereotype shocker ....

[Treacle Toes]

Exactly. He has absolutely no reason to make a deliberately racist tweet. He's not racist.

Maggot
What is an actual racist? Someone who identifies as one?

Racism isn't a final destination type of thing. People who don't identify as racist can and do/say racist things.

People who are otherwise sound, who you look up to for other reasons, who you love, your friends, who you drink with, who have Black partners and colleagues and think of themselves as anti-racists can and do say a wide range of things that are racist.

 

[oryx]

It's nice how football brings people together.

 

[oryx]

More so than any other English club - a bit of competition there but Millwall the winners.

Speaking from personal experience I have been to The Den about eight times (most recently last year) and never heard or seen anything racist. Now only an idiot would deny there's racism among some Millwall fans - there was a particularly nasty incident recently. But I have seen racist things at other clubs, including a gut-wrenchingly ugly incident at Wembley concerning Leeds fans, which was directed at an entirely innocent and uninvolved passer-by.

That doesn't mean I think all Leeds fans or the club are racist, just that a minority of supporters at a worryingly large number of football clubs are racist morons.

 

[Favelado]

And you're a bullshitting, hypocritical glory hunting 'fan' looking down on decent fans who support their home-town club, by branding them all according to the worst behaviour of a few arseholes. Which is a cunt's trick.

Want the match report from the day of the game of Hillsborough chants? What's happened in recorded. Not a liar so fuck off.

 

[Favelado]

It always just a minority isn't it? Apologists. You're happy going there and singing along with them though.

 

[oryx]

It always just a minority isn't it? Apologists. You're happy going there and singing along with them though.

What makes you think I 'sing along with them'?

Which paragon of a non-racist club do you support, BTW?

 

[Favelado]

What makes you think I 'sing along with them'?

Which paragon of a non-racist club do you support, BTW?

Ha!

I'm a Liverpool fan but I've been in Madrid 10 years now.

I have a season ticket for Rayo Vallecano, and I chose them because I liked the neighbourhood and lived there, and I couldn't stick being in a ground with the fash at Real and Atleti. Rayo is very left-wing indeed and actively anti-racist. Very much part of the club's identity. An absolute paragon of a non-racist club.

Liverpool had their issues like most clubs in the 80s. Letters to John Barnes from racist fans etc.

 

[oryx]

Liverpool had their issues like most clubs in the 80s. Letters to John Barnes from racist fans etc.

In the 80s? This is Liverpool that openly supported Suarez when he racially abused Patrice Evra (in 2012)?

But I guess you support a non-racist Spanish club, so that makes it alright.

 

[Favelado]

In the 80s? This is Liverpool that openly supported Suarez when he racially abused Patrice Evra (in 2012)?

But I guess you support a non-racist Spanish club, so that makes it alright.

Okay. Fair point there. I should have thought of that. But Millwall fans always do this. What if was a member of the Ku-Klux Klan? Doesn't have anything to do with Millwall's problems does it? Deflect all you like but your club are scum.

e2a Liverpool's support of Suárez was wrong, but it's not the same as being a historically racist club - the most famously racist club in the whole country - one which has problems every single season.

 

[oryx]

Okay. Fair point there. I should have thought of that. But Millwall fans always do this. What if was a member of the Ku-Klux Klan? Doesn't have anything to do with Millwall's problems does it? Deflect all you like but your club are scum.

e2a Liverpool's support of Suárez was wrong, but it's not the same as being a historically racist club - the most famously racist club in the whole country - one which has problems every single season.

Millwall aren't really 'my' club - they're actually my boyfriend's club and the local team here.

While Millwall undoubtedly have some racist shithead fans, I'm not aware of the club itself backing an openly racist player, although I accept you have said it's wrong.

 

[Favelado]

Millwall aren't really 'my' club - they're actually my boyfriend's club and the local team here.

While Millwall undoubtedly have some racist shithead fans, I'm not aware of the club itself backing an openly racist player, although I accept you have said it's wrong.

Well. I'm sure you're a nice person. Most on Urban are. It's justified that I hate Millwall and understandable that its fans stick up for the club. Good place to leave it until the next time there's an incident from the "tiny" minority.

 

[Favelado]

And you're a bullshitting, hypocritical glory hunting 'fan' looking down on decent fans who support their home-town club, by branding them all according to the worst behaviour of a few arseholes. Which is a cunt's trick.

What's the bigger crime?

Being a 6 year old who chose Liverpool for a bit of glory?
Or sticking with a very racist club when you're an adult, all in the name of convenience, because it's closer than some other non-racist clubs?
Also, pretending it's a FEW arseholes when it's a hell of a lot more than that.

I think I can forgive 6 year old me, ta.

 

[oryx]

Well. I'm sure you're a nice person. Most on Urban are. It's justified that I hate Millwall and understandable that its fans stick up for the club. Good place to leave it until the next time there's an incident from the "tiny" minority.

I'm sure you are too. We'll just have to agree to disagree about whether Millwall are an inherently racist club.

 

[GarveyLives]

You were warned ...

A dose of reality soup?:

"Let's not turn this child into another "Great Mixed-Race Hope."

We've seen this story before. A mixed-race person is elevated to a position of prominence. They're touted as proof of racial progress, part of a Brown New World in which racism will inevitably collapse in the future because there will be so many interracial relationships.

This anointing is part of what some call the ongoing "fetishization" of interracial children and adults. Remember Obama's "hope and change?" His biracial upbringing was supposed to help him bridge racial differences."

Analysis: Don't use the royal birth to trot out a dangerous myth

One of the images seen by the entire world shortly before 1.00 p.m. UK time, Wednesday 8 May 2019

The response of twitter user (with half a million followers) and veteran broadcaster Danny Baker (who "did not know who had had the 'Royal Baby'") approximately five hours later.​

"Baker’s tweet perpetuating the image of black people as sub-human says so much about race relations in Britain today ..."

Danny Baker's Tweet Makes It Painfully Obvious The Royal Baby Won't Solve Racism In The UK

"But whether or not his intentions were pure is beside the point. We live in a world that has habitually dehumanised black people, and relied on comedy as a crutch to do so. Danny Baker lives in that world too. It isn’t something he can dismiss or ignore. His choice to seek out, upload and tweet that photo without apparently pausing to think speaks to that much bigger, more dangerous phenomenon ..."

Danny Baker’s excuses don’t cut it – the impact of racism is inseparable from the intent

 

[Athos]

What's the bigger crime?

Being a 6 year old who chose Liverpool for a bit of glory?
Or sticking with a very racist club when you're an adult, all in the name of convenience, because it's closer than some other non-racist clubs?
Also, pretending it's a FEW arseholes when it's a hell of a lot more than that.

I think I can forgive 6 year old me, ta.

I think the six year old you was a cunt, and so is the current you.

People support the clubs that are part of their community. It doesn't mean they agree with all the views of every other supporter.

I know loads of antifascist Milwall. It's bollocks to say it's a racist club.

 

[Favelado]

I think the six year old you was a cunt, and so is the current you.

That's a good comeback! Credit where it's due. I laughed.

I'm sure there are some nice Millwall fans.
Good luck with the mental gymnastics though. Can't be easy.

 

[Favelado]

This article is a good read for anyone on the thread.

‘No one likes us’ is a millstone for Millwall and those who do care | Daniel Taylor

n Mel’s cafe on Ilderton Road the posters on the wall declare “Lions have Pride not Prejudice”. Millwall have positive links with groups such as Show Racism the Red Card and have embraced local projects such as the Save Lewisham hospital campaign. There are plenty of people connected to the club who will argue there is more good than bad, that the media need to change the tune and that a lot has changed since the days when BBC Radio 5 had an advertising poster for “Earthquakes, Wars and Millwall reports as they happen”. And, to a degree, it is true. Millwall are not always the sap in football’s family tree. It is just difficult sometimes to accept this sugarcoated version of events when there is also mobile‑phone footage from that Everton game of the home supporters in the Dockers stand singing: “I would rather be a Paki than a scouse.”

Millwall’s chief executive, Steve Kavanagh, subsequently talked about the club being damaged by 30 to 40 people. It looks and sounds like more. “This isn’t just a Millwall thing,” Kavanagh said. “This happens across society ... we can’t be responsible for educating the whole of south-east London.” Maybe, but it is difficult to imagine the same happening at, say, Charlton or Crystal Palace and Kavanagh was pushing his luck when he said it would be untrue to say this kind of chant had not been heard at other football grounds this season. A simple call to Kick It Out confirms there have been absolutely no reports of anything similar happening elsewhere.

 

[Athos]

The idea that it's hard to imagine that shit happening at Charlton is bollocks; I was their this season, and there was loads of it.

And I've heard it at e.g. Leeds, Cardiff, Bristol Rovers, Chelsea, West Ham, all in the last couple of years.

There's cunts at every club. But clubs shouldn't be surrendered to them, and the fact that most fans aren't like that forgotten.

I guess part of the reason I feel so strongly about it is that I've been in a battle for my club; and we're winning - you'll no longer hear anyone chanting racist songs

 

[Bus Honeygun]

I've only ever met two Millwall fans. One was an SWP member and the other was a solidly left-wing woman who was a union rep at Lewisham Council. Apart from Danny Baker, the only fan in the public eye I know of was Bob Crow.

Sorry to hear they're all racists.

 

[LiamO]

I've only ever met two Millwall fans. One was an SWP member and the other was a solidly left-wing woman who was a union rep at Lewisham Council. Apart from Danny Baker, the only fan in the public eye I know of was Bob Crow.

Sorry to hear they're all racists.

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[GarveyLives]

He has just spent ten minutes on James O'Brien's LBC programme playing the victim ... which included a claim that he was unaware that the Duchess of Sussex / Meghan Markle is of mixed race / bi-racial.

I see.

Revealed: Danny Baker tweeted about royal baby two days before posting 'racist' monkey tweet - despite trying to claim he 'didn't know it was Meghan who had given birth'

 

[Saul Goodman]

Exactly. He has absolutely no reason to make a deliberately racist tweet. He's not racist.


TBF I had no idea that Megan was mixed race until fairly recently, it's not obvious.

In the (paraphrased) coined words of Jonathan Swift... "There are none so blind as those who will not see"

 

[Maggot]

In the (paraphrased) coined words of Jonathan Swift... "There are none so blind as those who will not see"

Why do you think he did it? Was he sitting there thinking 'I know, I'll throw away my 40 year career in broadcasting by making a racist and offensive tweet.'

The idea that he could keep his racism hidden throughout all those 40 years of writing and TV and radio presenting, and then suddenly let it out in the most offensive way possible, is pretty ridiculous. Or has he only just become racist?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Why do you think he did it? Was he sitting there thinking 'I know, I'll throw away my 40 year career in broadcasting by making a racist and offensive tweet.'

The idea that he could keep his racism hidden throughout all those 40 years of writing and TV and radio presenting, and then suddenly let it out in the most offensive way possible, is pretty ridiculous. Or has he only just become racist?

Maggot Why are you talking about racism as if it can only ever be one thing and manifest in one way>

Maggot
What is an actual racist? Someone who identifies as one?

Racism isn't a final destination type of thing. People who don't identify as racist can and do/say racist things.

People who are otherwise sound, who you look up to for other reasons, who you love, your friends, who you drink with, who have Black partners and colleagues and think of themselves as anti-racists can and do say a wide range of things that are racist.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Why do you think he did it?

I think he forgot not to be racist.

 

[Maggot]

Maggot Why are you talking about racism as if it can only ever be one thing and manifest in one way>

I don't understand your point. All I am saying is that he was not deliberately trying to be racist. Do you think he was?

 

[Saul Goodman]

I don't understand your point. All I am saying is that he was not deliberately trying to be racist. Do you think he was?

I didn't think he did it deliberately, until I saw those other tweets. Now there's no doubt in my mind that the guy's racist.

 

[GarveyLives]

Meet 55-year old former British Transport Police and now Tesco delivery driver Bryn Male, who is reportedly an "avid" Millwall FC fan with a club tattoo on his leg ...

... on Saturday 13 June 2020, Mr Male was one of a large number of pro-Racism 'protestors' who travelled to central London in response to 'Black Lives Matter' protests the previous week, in order to 'defend' statues. Apparently, Mr Male's 'defence' of the statues concerned included telling other members of the public near the Royal Festival Hall "F*** Black Lives Matter".

Apparently this did not go down too well with other members of the public ...

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Fortunately for ex-Detective Constable (and reported Millwall "fanatic") Male, Patrick Hutchinson, a personal trainer and grandfather, had formed a group with four of his friends, who are part of London-based close protection group Ark Security, to protect young Black Lives Matter protesters from getting caught up in the violence at the protests. According to Mr Hutchinson "I wasn't thinking, I was just thinking of a human being on the floor. It wasn't going to end well had we not intervened," Mr Hutchinson said. "I had no other thoughts in my mind apart from getting to safety."

 

[mx wcfc]

Meet 55-year old former British Transport Police and now Tesco delivery driver Bryn Male, who is reportedly an "avid" Millwall FC fan with a club tattoo on his leg ...

... on Saturday 13 June 2020, Mr Male was one of a large number of pro-Racism 'protestors' who travelled to central London in response to 'Black Lives Matter' protests the previous week, in order to 'defend' statues. Apparently, Mr Male's 'defence' of the statues concerned included telling other members of the public near the Royal Festival Hall "F*** Black Lives Matter".

Apparently this did not go down too well with other members of the public ...

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Fortunately for ex-Detective Constable (and reported Millwall "fanatic") Male, Patrick Hutchinson, a personal trainer and grandfather, had formed a group with four of his friends, who are part of London-based close protection group Ark Security, to protect young Black Lives Matter protesters from getting caught up in the violence at the protests. According to Mr Hutchinson "I wasn't thinking, I was just thinking of a human being on the floor. It wasn't going to end well had we not intervened," Mr Hutchinson said. "I had no other thoughts in my mind apart from getting to safety."

This story just gets better and better.

 

[Favelado]

He's just another one of a tiny, tiny minority. It's SO unlucky that these things often have a Millwall angle.