Millwall fans conform with stereotype shocker ....
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deadringer
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Already dripping wet if you ask me.
Team in 'taking fewer to Huddersfield than to Wembley' shocker. Looks like the same harmless 'Wall fans who used to come to Rovers every year, perfectly normal and no menace to anybody.
Also, taken during the warm up so obviously at least 15 minutes before kick off.
Also, taken during the warm up so obviously at least 15 minutes before kick off.
pocketscience
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For the 3rd year running Millwall fans voted a black player as POTY.
Congrats Danny Shittu!!!
... and he's just signed a new 2 year contact
pocketscience
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Nice piece on Millwall's rejection of a Quickquid sponsorship offer.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/26/millwall-said-no-quickquid
They've decided to do a Barcelona and donate this years sponsorship to charidy (prostate cancer awareness)...
Would be great if some of the bigger clubs in the PL would do similar instead of being the greedy cunts they are (comments Favelado?)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jun/26/millwall-said-no-quickquid
They've decided to do a Barcelona and donate this years sponsorship to charidy (prostate cancer awareness)...
Would be great if some of the bigger clubs in the PL would do similar instead of being the greedy cunts they are (comments Favelado?)
pocketscience
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Another great article on Millwall:
http://footballrepublik.com/is-millwalls-reputation-unjust/
Looks like the clubs PR machine are on a role.
http://footballrepublik.com/is-millwalls-reputation-unjust/
Looks like the clubs PR machine are on a role.
pocketscience
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Why Lewisham’s plans for Millwall’s Den really take the biscuit | Barney Ronay
1 across: The Den mixed terminus (3,3)
pocketscience
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ska invita
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Whats happening here pocketscience ? Whats exactly is being compulsary purchased? The way that is worded is that the redevelopment "might" get in the way of the functioning of Millwall. You'd expect they would allow for housing to be built in such a way that the club can continue to function....
pocketscience
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This whole things been like the death of a thousand cuts and been going on since the 70's - (Millwall were actually sponsored by the LDDC in the 80's) so with these latest developments I haven't paid too much attention and could be completely wrong with some of the statements I'll make, or miss other important information, but here goes:
In principle no one at the club (Milwall FC, that is) has anything against a regen in principle but the current episode has seen Lewisham Council working closely with a development company called Renewal. Renewal have been quietly collecting large properties in the area since the mid 00's while miraculously registering returns of eactly 1000 quid every year for a decade to HMRC. A few weeks ago (to everyone's complete and utter shock and surprise), it turned out that Renewal are financially backed by a no-name off-shore fund.
The club have made numerous requests to Lewisham Council and Renwal to be included in the regeneration planning but have been point blank rejected and locked out of any discussions.
The club has also tabled their own vision to the council of a community based regen including: a significant proportion of affordable housing, various community schemes, continuity and representation for current local residents and businesses etc. It was in most part completely ignored.
Until now the only trump card the club had was a long-term lease contract with Lewisham Council for the Ground which is a big part of the planned development area. Last week Lewisham Council voted internally to end that lease with the Compulsory Purchase Order.
The CPO will be appealed by the club and as far as I understand an inquiry will need to be set up, which could take a year. If the inquiry upholds the decision, the future of the site is no longer in the clubs hands but with this dodgy off-shore development company.
I think the thing about "the functioning of Millwall" is more to do with the club trying to preserve it's very existence. Millwall has already seen the heart and soul ripped out of large parts of the local community and now this phase of development impacts the very ground and immediate surroundings. Ask any Millwall fans if they expect any of the new residents to turn up for a game (let alone a season ticket) and the names Tarquin and Annabel might be muttered with disdain
Maybe other Millwall on here can elaborate BigMoaner, Sea Lion , TopCat ?
In principle no one at the club (Milwall FC, that is) has anything against a regen in principle but the current episode has seen Lewisham Council working closely with a development company called Renewal. Renewal have been quietly collecting large properties in the area since the mid 00's while miraculously registering returns of eactly 1000 quid every year for a decade to HMRC. A few weeks ago (to everyone's complete and utter shock and surprise), it turned out that Renewal are financially backed by a no-name off-shore fund.
The club have made numerous requests to Lewisham Council and Renwal to be included in the regeneration planning but have been point blank rejected and locked out of any discussions.
The club has also tabled their own vision to the council of a community based regen including: a significant proportion of affordable housing, various community schemes, continuity and representation for current local residents and businesses etc. It was in most part completely ignored.
Until now the only trump card the club had was a long-term lease contract with Lewisham Council for the Ground which is a big part of the planned development area. Last week Lewisham Council voted internally to end that lease with the Compulsory Purchase Order.
The CPO will be appealed by the club and as far as I understand an inquiry will need to be set up, which could take a year. If the inquiry upholds the decision, the future of the site is no longer in the clubs hands but with this dodgy off-shore development company.
I think the thing about "the functioning of Millwall" is more to do with the club trying to preserve it's very existence. Millwall has already seen the heart and soul ripped out of large parts of the local community and now this phase of development impacts the very ground and immediate surroundings. Ask any Millwall fans if they expect any of the new residents to turn up for a game (let alone a season ticket) and the names Tarquin and Annabel might be muttered with disdain
Maybe other Millwall on here can elaborate BigMoaner, Sea Lion , TopCat ?
ska invita
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This whole things been like the death of a thousand cuts and been going on since the 70's - (Millwall were actually sponsored by the LDDC in the 80's) so with these latest developments I haven't paid too much attention and could be completely wrong with some of the statements I'll make, or miss other important information, but here goes:
In principle no one at the club (Milwall FC, that is) has anything against a regen in principle but the current episode has seen Lewisham Council working closely with a development company called Renewal. Renewal have been quietly collecting large properties in the area since the mid 00's while miraculously registering returns of eactly 1000 quid every year for a decade to HMRC. A few weeks ago (to everyone's complete and utter shock and surprise), it turned out that Renewal are financially backed by a no-name off-shore fund.
The club have made numerous requests to Lewisham Council and Renwal to be included in the regeneration planning but have been point blank rejected and locked out of any discussions.
The club has also tabled their own vision to the council of a community based regen including: a significant proportion of affordable housing, various community schemes, continuity and representation for current local residents and businesses etc. It was in most part completely ignored.
Until now the only trump card the club had was a long-term lease contract with Lewisham Council for the Ground which is a big part of the planned development area. Last week Lewisham Council voted internally to end that lease with the Compulsory Purchase Order.
The CPO will be appealed by the club and as far as I understand an inquiry will need to be set up, which could take a year. If the inquiry upholds the decision, the future of the site is no longer in the clubs hands but with this dodgy off-shore development company.
I think the thing about "the functioning of Millwall" is more to do with the club trying to preserve it's very existence. Millwall has already seen the heart and soul ripped out of large parts of the local community and now this phase of development impacts the very ground and immediate surroundings. Ask any Millwall fans if they expect any of the new residents to turn up for a game (let alone a season ticket) and the names Tarquin and Annabel might be muttered with disdain
Maybe other Millwall on here can elaborate BigMoaner, Sea Lion , TopCat ?
sounds like there are two elements to this
1. is the company leading the renewal fundamentally a bunch of arseholes? seems for sure. And wouldve it been better to let Millwall lead the process? possibly
but 2. is it a given that their plans will endanger the club being able to function. Maybe the new residents wont go to Millwall games, but Millwall supporters live across south london so i dont think that should be too much of a problem. I canat imagine anyone would allow a redevelopment to go ahead that physically threatens the Den and its infrastructure. That would cause a riot!
It does seem a shame from where im sat that Millwall havent been made more central to plans, but there might well be good reasons for that. Maybe the board aren't the nicest bunch either? Ive no idea.
Though don't get me wrong - Renewal sound terrible, and its depressing they are given the time of day.
Is that right do you think?
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sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
The people who are behind Renewal (an offshore tax dodging company with little or no assets) are the same people that where in Lewisham council. Steve Norris (tory mp) is also involved in the "regeneration" of the area.There is all sorts of conflicts on interest and nepotism going on.Renewal have been awarded land to develop but all they are going to do is sell it on(to another developer) for a fucking huge tax free profit.
This will basically kill Millwall off in Bermondsey at least.
This will basically kill Millwall off in Bermondsey at least.
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I get the first bit but what do you mean by this bit?
pocketscience
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I don't think Millwall are under any delusions that they could lead such a project (they can't even manage to get out of League 1 at the momentsounds like there are two elements to this
1. is the company leading the renewal fundamentally a bunch of arseholes? seems for sure. And wouldve it been better to let Millwall lead the process? possibly
) but I reckon they should at least be heard. It's a club with 130 years of significant history in and around the area. Their idea of having a community based scheme would be a cornerstone of the current and future club strategy. Since the bad old days the clubs managed only to claw back respectability through engaging with the community, and that feeds back to arses on seats.You'd think Lewisham Council would support that kind of community engagement. Nope, they want to sign the plot away to a bunch of tax dodging, self interested cunts.
Renewals plans today aren't necessary the ones they'll implement tomorrow, and that's the rub here. The one last official body that could protect the club from being gobbled up by rampant property speculation just fucked them over completely.
There was demographic chart released a couple of seasons ago based on supporters clubs stats and the local areas around Bermondsey, Peckham, New Cross etc were overwhelmingly the majority represented. One of the most local clubs in London. I was a bit surprised myself tbh as I thought the bulk of the fan base was in Kent now.
It probably would, and it's not beyond the realms of wild speculation or conspiracy theories to think that that's exactly what Renewal & LC want.
The whole thing stinks but Lewisham Council have been exceptionally cuntish. It's hard to imagine that the majority of the councillors aren't lining their pockets out of this.
It's not just Millwall btw. Renewal have pissed a bunch of local artists of as well:
Apparently, Willow Winston the local sculptress, turned up at the vote last week and gave the council a right bollocking
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bromley
...isn't as good as Lewisham.
Didn't the council help them out during the ground move, which is completely different to how Islington treated Arsenal with them having to build flats for the area and there are various other examples, how long have Luton been after a new ground? But the land remained Lewisham councils?
Milwall wanted to build flats on said land, 600 or to Lewisham's 2k. Now Lewisham are dodgy (like that supporters survey), you only have to look at how much the area has changed recently, but surely all of this death of the club, who aren't even from this side of the river is a bit much? Is the council knocking down the community centre near the away end?
Also Milwall's millionaire American owner, has he commented on this or are hus pockets being lined? Why only 25k signatures in 3 years?
Milwall wanted to build flats on said land, 600 or to Lewisham's 2k. Now Lewisham are dodgy (like that supporters survey), you only have to look at how much the area has changed recently, but surely all of this death of the club, who aren't even from this side of the river is a bit much? Is the council knocking down the community centre near the away end?
Also Milwall's millionaire American owner, has he commented on this or are hus pockets being lined? Why only 25k signatures in 3 years?
pocketscience
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yes, that was 3 decades ago though. London's changed a bit since then.
Hence:
OK you got me. I was almost taking you seriously up to this point:
Chairman John Berylson has issued a message to Millwall fans after Lewisham Cabinet's CPO decision concerning around The Den
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
The developers will be our new landlords so can and most probably will up the rent on the ground.We make non match day revenue from a coach company to park on our land,our car park will go so that's another revenue stream fucked.
Lewisham Labour group furious at their own cabinet over attempt to forcibly buy Millwall land - London News Online
Why Lewisham’s plans for Millwall’s Den really take the biscuit | Barney Ronay
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
Only a hundred years in south London you pillock.We played in North Geenwich in 1901 before moving to the Den 1910.Do you want Arsenal back at Woolwich?
ska invita
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Im starting to get it - thanks
That coach car park is literally right next to the ground though isnt it? For the stadium to function it needs to retain those bits around it as thats where people walk in to get to the stands.
Anyhow, it sounds to me like the purchase by Renewal opens the door for a lot of worrying possibles and insecurities...though its not clear exactly what they are I can see why everyone is worried...i would be
That coach car park is literally right next to the ground though isnt it? For the stadium to function it needs to retain those bits around it as thats where people walk in to get to the stands.
Anyhow, it sounds to me like the purchase by Renewal opens the door for a lot of worrying possibles and insecurities...though its not clear exactly what they are I can see why everyone is worried...i would be
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
For me this is not Just about Millwall's future although it's my main gripe,It's about property developers and corrupt Councillors and mps fucking over people and communities for a fucking pound note.Off shore banks accounts and dodgy handshakes. Cunts.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
They will sell the land on for massive profit.They have never built anything they are speculators set up by people with connections high up.
pocketscience
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that's basically it. the precedence it sets is scary.
If there's a group to get behind to fight this rampant speculation in the area, I guess Millwall aint a bad choice (for obvious reasons)
If there's a group to get behind to fight this rampant speculation in the area, I guess Millwall aint a bad choice (for obvious reasons
)
pocketscience
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sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
I think we still have ninety odd years left on the ground lease so yes still valid.The cpo's are for the car park,the lions centre and other parts that surround the ground.I see problems arising when Lewisham council are no longer the landowner or our landlords.The new bods will just up our rent and price us out.There was a massive police presence at the last game against Coventry (why?) the ob also went around the local pubs and openly filmed people(mostly with there kids) for no apparent reason with one ob saying to one of ours"this is only the start we will be back"Lewisham council and the ob dying for us to kick off hence the intimidation and bullying.
sealion
Conformity is the last refuge of the unimaginitive
The lease actually has 88 years left to run.The pitch also has a covenant on it that stipulates it must be used as a "mass sporting arena". I think that goes back to the original Senegal fields times before Millwall moved there.A covenant can be challenged by the council if the ground is no longer being used for football or another type of sport. Now get Millwall out of there(by reducing our income from the land and complaints from the new neighbours) and change of use for the land is in the bag for the councilors in bed with the developers.
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