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Mikhail Gorbachev has died

Massive figure, not many people have radically changed the world . Amazing what he was able to do (and not get assassinated) . Putin dreams of turning the clock back , what Gorbachev achieved is still having influence.
 
marty21 said:
Massive figure, not many people have radically changed the world . Amazing what he was able to do (and not get assassinated) . Putin dreams of turning the clock back , what Gorbachev achieved is still having influence.
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Influence? Not really. Only 1% of Russians voted for him the last time he ran for President.
 
With Putin being so nasty lately, no doubt the already nauseating veneration of Gorbachev in the west will reach new heights. I recall watching Herzog's documentary on Gorbachev and cringing throughout, he interviewed the man and failed to ask a single difficult question or to offer any kind of a critical angle.
 
He embraced capitalism without understanding what it was and how it would affect his peoples. He emboldened nationalists in former republics of the USSR.

Loved by western EU supporting liberals. Loathed by Russians.

I think he was a fucking idiot.
 
I thought he had a friendly face. Whatever I thought of Reagan/Thatch - the newsreels of them meeting smiling and shaking hands was a relief after the early 80s paranoia, protect and survive etc.

Putin on the other hand just gives me the chills.
 
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Bingoman said:
I have to ask how and who did he murder, because I must of missed that bit?
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I’m guessing in the sense of fighting the beards in Afghan, and suppressing the pro-independence movement in Tbilisi with force etc. he was on a par with many other leaders in that respect though.

I don’t think he actually physically murdered anyone face to face.
 
skyscraper101 said:
I’m guessing in the sense of fighting the beards in Afghan, and suppressing the pro-independence movement in Tbilisi with force etc. he was on a par with many other leaders in that respect though.

I don’t think he actually physically murdered anyone face to face.
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That what I was thinking but I has go ask?
 
TopCat said:
He embraced capitalism without understanding what it was and how it would affect his peoples. He emboldened nationalists in former republics of the USSR.

Loved by western EU supporting liberals. Loathed by Russians.

I think he was a fucking idiot.
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Bring back Stalin. All is forgiven.
 
seventh bullet said:
An apparatchik who was carried by the wind blowing in the direction of collapse. Stagnation and decay was visible in the Khrushchev years.
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Never thought I’d need to say this on here: you can have your own opinions, but you can’t have your own facts…
 
Kevbad the Bad said:
Bring back Stalin. All is forgiven.
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Funnily enough, and this is going back many years now, I met elderly people in Russia who were positive about not just the man but the system put in place in the USSR. They literally built his 'socialism' and bled in the Nazi war of annihilation. Soviet citizens of that generation were egregiously lied to but they weren't/aren't stupid, unintelligent and uncritical people.
 
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