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Men’s violence against women and girls is a national emergency
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Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Sorry. I missed your link.
InArduisFouette
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there's a lot to unpack in your post here
a lot of people do seem to think that various people should be in 'a secure mental hospital' without reference ot the criteria for S 37 or S37 /41 hospital orders being made and the admission criteria to the Secure Hospitals estate at whichever security level
How we as a society use prisons is poorly thought through and ap oliticla football , the Judiciiary, the prosecuters, the police and the HMPPS work within the Framework set by the Politicians
do you have any particular evidence with regard to that judge or is it just a presumption ?
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
Presumption. As per.
Really shocking. And makes me stone cold furious.Young women, middle-aged women, elderly women, very elderly women. Absolutely horrifying.
Killed women count: 50 women allegedly killed by men in UK so far in 2024
Throughout the year the Guardian aims to report on every woman whose death has led to a man being chargedwww.theguardian.com
Mental illness will have nothing to do with the vast majority of these murders. These men have intent to kill.
Discussion about psychiatric disposals is a distraction from examining the common or garden biopsychosocial factors of why men murder women- most often women they know.
felixthecat
are we there yet?
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
8ball
Merr xmas...
I wouldn’t think the judge would stick his neck out in such a way to mask his bias.
He’s painting a big target on his back for the people he is badmouthing by implication.
mentalchik
"I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit."
Good to see you back Edie
AnnO'Neemus
Is so vanilla
Agreed. Too often men's homicidal actions is reported on in a way that seeks to justify and/or excuse their actions, it's like there always needs to be some kind of rationalisation - she nagged, she left him, she cheated, she wouldn't let him see the kids, etc, etc, etc.
A lot of the time, it seems to boil down to 'If I can't have you, no one else can' or some kind of 'punishment' for leaving him/moving on, etc. It boils down to rage, jealousy, toxic masculinity, etc, rather than mental health issues.
GarveyLives
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A woman has received £35,000 in compensation after her rape case was dropped by the Crown Prosecution Service amid "claims" that she could have had an episode of “sexsomnia”:
Woman wins payout after ‘sexsomnia’ rape case dropped *
* Headline as published, which gives the impression of some sort of lottery win.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
As I asked on the other thread, please explain re lottery win.
Epona
Radar 2006-2020, Sonic 2006-2022, Jakey 2007-2024
Compensation for having her rape case dismissed by the CPS under spurious grounds is not a "lottery win", and I don't see those words anywhere in the headline or the article.
Lottery win is when you buy a lottery ticket for a couple of quid and win some money.
Not when you get raped and have the police and CPS fail to take it seriously or call it into question and are years later awarded a small amount of financial compensation that in no way makes up for the trauma you've been through.
Lottery win is when you buy a lottery ticket for a couple of quid and win some money.
Not when you get raped and have the police and CPS fail to take it seriously or call it into question and are years later awarded a small amount of financial compensation that in no way makes up for the trauma you've been through.
Puddy_Tat
naturally fluffy
I can't speak for garveylives, but my reading of it, it does feel a bit like the headline is trivialising it. someone 'wins a payout' on the lottery or other gambling. getting compensation because the police and / or CPS have been bloody useless isn't really the same thing.
although it's fairly standard headline-ese.
Epona
Radar 2006-2020, Sonic 2006-2022, Jakey 2007-2024
Aye I think they should stick to the term "compensation" when reporting these things, but it's also not a lottery win.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It doesn't really give the impression of a lottery win
zedr
new but not *that* new
Been speaking with two people close to me about VAWG trails recently. One who's daughter has come out of the end of one, and the other who's sister may be beginning one. The daughter had to endure an enormous amount of slut shaming throughout the trial, so much so that the judge had to pause the trial, send everyone out and then bollock the defence barrister. I can't imagine how cruel you would have to be to do that regardless of whether you're 'just doing your job'. She said if she had the chance again, she wouldn't have gone to trial. How fucked up is that. The depressing thing is, her trial was the most successful one out of her pals. They were also assaulted and didn't even manage to get the lads charged because their recollections were too blurry.
We have a justice system which barely prosecutes sexual violence, when it does it barely convicts, and is so traumatising that many people would rather not go through with the whole thing. I have no idea how you would go about changing the system. Sometimes I think lowering the burden of proof to help convictions might help, but I don't know if that would actually be any use and it may cause more issues in the long run. I know education and community response is very important, but that feels to simple and nebulous to suggest without something more concrete.
We have a justice system which barely prosecutes sexual violence, when it does it barely convicts, and is so traumatising that many people would rather not go through with the whole thing. I have no idea how you would go about changing the system. Sometimes I think lowering the burden of proof to help convictions might help, but I don't know if that would actually be any use and it may cause more issues in the long run. I know education and community response is very important, but that feels to simple and nebulous to suggest without something more concrete.
LakieLady
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I supported a friend through a rape trial in the 80s. The rape was awful, but the trial seemed to leave her with more long term damage. Back then, you could opt for an "old-style" committal, where witnesses gave evidence at the magistrates court before having to go through it all again at the trial itself. And the rapist sacked his legal team and represented himself at the committal, so he was the one interrogating her.
After he was convicted, she found out that he'd been acquitted of attempted rape a few weeks before he raped her.
He got seven years. She never recovered, became an alcoholic and died when she was only 53.
Thankfully, things have improved since then, but having seen what she went through I can understand why some people don't want to put themselves through giving evidence.
And plenty of mentally ill people are on the receiving end of violent crime.
newme
Giant in Pastyland now
Late 90s not 80s but I know someone who after reporting it ended up with a severe beating from a bunch of girls who were friends with the rapist/caliing her a liar/something I tried to forget so can't remember exactly. More than once.I supported a friend through a rape trial in the 80s. The rape was awful, but the trial seemed to leave her with more long term damage. Back then, you could opt for an "old-style" committal, where witnesses gave evidence at the magistrates court before having to go through it all again at the trial itself. And the rapist sacked his legal team and represented himself at the committal, so he was the one interrogating her.
After he was convicted, she found out that he'd been acquitted of attempted rape a few weeks before he raped her.
He got seven years. She never recovered, became an alcoholic and died when she was only 53.
Thankfully, things have improved since then, but having seen what she went through I can understand why some people don't want to put themselves through giving evidence.
You think you start to have some idea about whats going on and then you hear anything remotely similar to that for the first time and the world turns into a very different place.
Dystopiary
putting up a hook to hang my hopes upon
And you still hear "she should've reported it."
MrsArcanum
This is Ruby, conqueror of the Scotland 500.
Jury trials are really not fit for purpose in Rape/Sexual assault cases, particularly with POS Judges like these, who should be disbarred or prevented from every presiding over these sorts of crime.
InArduisFouette
Well-Known Member
and more pertinently they are far more likely to be the victim than the perp
I don't know if posters have seen this?
It was reported on Irish news today
The Indian Medical Association (IMA), the country's largest grouping of doctors, said all non-essential hospital services would be shut down across the country on Saturday.
The IMA described last week's killing as a "crime of barbaric scale due to the lack of safe spaces for women" and asked for the country's support in its "struggle for justice".
It was reported on Irish news today
India: National strike held over doctor's rape and murder
Non-essential services are at a standstill in an escalated protest demanding greater protections.
bbc.com
The Indian Medical Association (IMA), the country's largest grouping of doctors, said all non-essential hospital services would be shut down across the country on Saturday.
The IMA described last week's killing as a "crime of barbaric scale due to the lack of safe spaces for women" and asked for the country's support in its "struggle for justice".
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