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A weegegan is a veganist from glasgow
Meat eaters are destroying the planet, warns WWF report
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WouldBe
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Grow up.
WouldBe
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Well if you want to look at the ovo/lacto, ovo or lacto vegetarians then what happens when the chickens stop laying eggs or the cows stop producing milk? This also ties in with ddraig post about scraping the barrel.
I can only see 4 possibilities.
1. You cull the animal but this won't be favoured by the vegigans.
2. You let the animals loose. Unfortunately this will result in some chickens dying terrified and in pain as they get ripped to shreds by foxes or birds of prey and more will die slow deaths starving and / or freezing to death over winter. Those that are lucky to survive will reduce biodiversity in the area as they eat loads of insects, some of which may be beneficial thereby limiting pollination of crops which will reduce the amount of food for humans. Chickens are also good at eating green shoots on plants which again can reduce crop yields.
Lack of biodiversity is something that the vegigans complain about wrt the keeping of livestock do again probably not an alternative the vegigans are likely to go for.
3. The farmer keeps the non productive animals. But I can't see that happening as they would have to pay for the feed for the animals unless the vegigans are prepared to pay for 'retirement farms' for these animals. Unfortunately that will still mean land 'lost' that could be used to grow food for humans.
4. Have the non productive animals adopted by the public. Unfortunately most homes don't have enough room to keep chickens let alone a cow.
So that bring us back to option 1 provided it's done as humanely as possible.
littlebabyjesus
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You did laugh, editor. And WouldBe had said they'd spelt it like that probably cos they're dyslexic.
You really shouldn't mod this thread, you know. You make terrible decisions.
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Funky_monks
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Well if you want to look at the ovo/lacto, ovo or lacto vegetarians then what happens when the chickens stop laying eggs or the cows stop producing milk? This also ties in with ddraig post about scraping the barrel.
I can only see 4 possibilities.
1. You cull the animal but this won't be favoured by the vegigans.
2. You let the animals loose. Unfortunately this will result in some chickens dying terrified and in pain as they get ripped to shreds by foxes or birds of prey and more will die slow deaths starving and / or freezing to death over winter. Those that are lucky to survive will reduce biodiversity in the area as they eat loads of insects, some of which may be beneficial thereby limiting pollination of crops which will reduce the amount of food for humans. Chickens are also good at eating green shoots on plants which again can reduce crop yields.
Lack of biodiversity is something that the vegigans complain about wrt the keeping of livestock do again probably not an alternative the vegigans are likely to go for.
3. The farmer keeps the non productive animals. But I can't see that happening as they would have to pay for the feed for the animals unless the vegigans are prepared to pay for 'retirement farms' for these animals. Unfortunately that will still mean land 'lost' that could be used to grow food for humans.
4. Have the non productive animals adopted by the public. Unfortunately most homes don't have enough room to keep chickens let alone a cow.
So that bring us back to option 1 provided it's done as humanely as possible.
I did make a post about the beef and dairy industries being one and the same, but it got buried under some really next level pedantry...
Funky_monks
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littlebabyjesus
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Hmmm. Classic case of correlation not equalling causation there. People who worry about ethical matters such as how we treat animals are very likely both to be overrepresented among veggies and to be a bit more prone to various mental health problems. Even the study itself admits it hasn't shown a causal link.
Funky_monks
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What?
So you disagree with "the science" because the picture might be more complicated than one study alludes to?
Surely not.
Edited to add: although the paper is about several studies...
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littlebabyjesus
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My favourite (and the most pointless - what were they thinking??) example of that is a study done in Wales of men and their shaving habits. The study found that men who shave every day live longer on average than men who don't shave every day. It was reported on the BBC radio news straight, like it meant something worth thinking about.What?
So you disagree with "the science" because the picture might be more complicated than one study alludes to?
Surely not.
Edited to add: although the paper is about several studies...
WouldBe
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I did see your post. I'm not sure having herds of bulls / bullocks roaming free would be a good idea.
Your post missed the point it was in response to, as the point wasn't whether it's the same industry producing both (true) but whether it's the same animals producing both (false). It's not pedantry to point that out. If the question is to calculate the orbital period of Jupiter then an answer calculating the orbital period of Saturn misses the point, and it wouldn't be pedantry to point that out.
Funky_monks
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Of course it's the same animals you plank.
Dairy farms produce two things: milk and beef.
The fact that beef only suckler herds also exist doesn't make it any less true.
Saul Goodman
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In fairness, I'd be fucking miserable too, if I couldn't eat bacon sandwiches.Meat eaters: too thick to be depressed at the state of it all
JimW
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Bit weird here in China as I understand beef herd is a lot larger than the dairy herd but unlike latter mostly on small farms with only a few head in Han areas where they don't milk. The dairy stuff is more modern large scale up in northwest etc where there's the land for it.
Of course the fact that beef only herds exists means it's not the same animals, if even a single cow exists that doesn't produce both beef and milk then the set of cows producing milk and the set of cows producing beef are not the same, "you plank."
ddraig
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deperate shite init!
That's the problem with epidemiological studies in general, they can not show causation, only correlation. Same problem as the previous time on this thread.
Funky_monks
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No cows exist that don't produce milk.
In beef herds, that milk goes exclusively to the calf.
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Which 'terrible' mod decision have I made, oh Master Critic and Expert Of Board Moderation?
WouldBe
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Apart from the male ones.
littlebabyjesus
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Funky_monks
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Those are not called cows.Apart from the male ones.
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He was warned in complete accordance with the rules on mutual ignore - something he delights in pushing his luck with most days. Why do you think those rules should not apply to him?
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
What's desperate? That most people are meat eaters?
WouldBe
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I know that, you know that but a lot of meat eaters can't tell one from the other and I suspect a lot if not most vegigans can't either.
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