The thing is, in the past Britain already went through that battle to separate church and state. I don't want a new theocracy that I have to doff my hat to. Islam may claim Allah is the Jewish God but I don't know of many Christians or Jews feel the same way. Anyway, my heritage is life of Brian and irreverent humour. Not creeping around Islam for fear of offending and risking getting my throat cut.
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Athos
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He didn't know what a helter skelter was.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
well we must have lost then given there is no formal separation between church and state here and a man in a funny hat called the archbishop of canterbury usually gives out the crowns to the queens/kings who are literally the head of state and of the state religion, CofE. You daftie
bimble
floofy
Doubledown You may be interested in travelling to america for the rally if you feel that you're in imminent danger of a Muslim theocracy taking over your sceptered isle. March Against Sharia -- March for Human Rights
butchersapron
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Why all the talk about religion? What is the relevance?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
or america. Discussed this with ma- religion may be formally tied with the state here but the society as a whole is not massively churchy imo- yet in america where it is formally seperate from the state, well. It plays more of an influence on politics than it does here imo. Not sure what to make of thatIndeed. Try France
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Oh yeah. The jews of Massada topped themselves (and their wives and children) heroically rather than be subject to the Romans, and got to be Zionist heroes. Not sure how they square that circle.
Most nationalist-Zionists don't give a wet fuck about violations of religious philosophy.
You are correct to be specific, it's a lovely thought to think of the Church of England and Isis in exactly the same category, beware the exploding C of E teacakes.
Islam so depresses me, to me it makes Britain a more lonely and divided place. But I do think love and goodness can overcome all things. Everyone is doing the best for themselves their family and their community, it's all just life. And I know it doesn't help dwelling on the past, one just has to look on the positive side
J Ed
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I'm not one of these liberal people who is doing one of these no true Scotsman routines about Islamist terrorists, but some of the kindest, most community minded people I know are practising Muslims. The loneliness and atomisation that you are talking about has nothing to do with Muslims, the atomisation of communities is something that happens across the country and it occurs in places where there are no Muslims at all. I think that it is far more linked to the decline of collective institutions which includes but is not limited to religious groups, trade unions and football clubs, the ever increasing number of hours we week on average and technology.
butchersapron
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He's not a real person j. Don't waste your time.
J Ed
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In terms of atomisation, yes I think in part this is true.
butchersapron
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Why do you do this? The point was about the context within which religious groups operate to the benefit of their members. The destruction of the context that led to people identifying as religious within a wider movement is left out of this disgusting smug glib commentary by you. And commentary is all it is.
mojo pixy
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For me that's the point, but still Islam itself comes up again and again and in this thread it's been asked, what role it plays.
butchersapron
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Why should it be ¿why should any materially produced way of viewing and then ordering/producing the world be excused from dealing with the next results of its existence?
Or anything with a community focus really.
bimble
floofy
Yeah, but what community. The community of church / football not open to me for instance, not really. Local activism is though.
J Ed
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Why is this so black and white for you? I did not say a positive word about religious communities or football, although I have some things that are positive to say about the former and much more that is positive to say about the latter. Clearly there are very good things to say about the decline of religious communities in some ways, particularly for people whose idenities finds them at odds with those communities in some way. That wasn't brought up though, what was brought up was atomisation.
not-bono-ever
meh
Regarding the latter, social enquiry to discover what the community is missing (a community centre, perhaps?) followed by a campaign for that thing involving the community. A good starting point?
bimble
floofy
Agree about atomisation, of course. But the craving for a sense of belonging is part of our condition now, and you have to think about what answers to that are any good and which are not.
Obviously Isis is an answer to that, that pain of not feeling part of anything meaningful , as are the gangs round where I live.
Obviously Isis is an answer to that, that pain of not feeling part of anything meaningful , as are the gangs round where I live.
mojo pixy
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It should not.
butchersapron
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Ping pong vicar?
mojo pixy
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No, I agree. My point since the start is that it's not Islam that is the problem. It's people taking a scripture and twisting it to fit their own ends, getting angry kids to want to die for them because they desperately want to believe it's the right thing to do and god wants it.
I've also been admitting since the start that not only do I have no idea how to fix it, I'm not actually sure there is a way.
I've also been admitting since the start that not only do I have no idea how to fix it, I'm not actually sure there is a way.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
You so frequently do this and it's not a good look
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Never noticed the bishops in the Lords then
gosub
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That's more down to being sizable land owners
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