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I don't need goals. It's not the lack of goals -- that was just an illustration. I loved the first half of Brazil - North Korea and that was goalless.

It's more the lack of ambition. Most of the sides so far seem to start the game feeling that 0-0 will do them. Maybe that's because at this stage they have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
 
kabbes said:
One way or another, my feeling is that this world cup -- so far -- is the worst I've yet seen. I'm just trying to understand what it is about the event that is evoking that feeling.
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No decent games - the group games are usually shit (with the knockouts bringing on the excitement, and a damp squib for a final)

Brazil group aside, the qualifiers from the groups are pretty predictable (on paper).

Plus England are shit. Let's have it out, you can joke about Heskey and Crouch all you want, but we, as a nation, should not need to resort to these kind of players.

I had months of excitement and anticipation, only to see them all together scrape a draw against USA (who are better than we give thgem credit for, but still), and then face the realisation that, even if all 11 players play out of their skin, there's still no way any half decent manager can nullify our forwards and find the holes in our defence.

The shit teams we face may flatter to deceive, but this isn't half the squad we had in 06 (and that's perhaps sadly what I'll always compare it to. That was 'our chance').

The one vague hope we have is in some Fabio mastery gelling everyone together to create a magic set of plucky half decent players that can read each others minds (Heskey or Crouch is no better or worse skilled than Sheringham, but look at the difference in confidence), but that will never happen with the current culture of football superstardom.

I really had my bubble burst against USA. :(

I just feel as if we might as well not be there, we're certainly not going to win it, and if we come across any of our classic 'foes', they will walk over us.

(Always better to line yourslef up for disappointement though, maybe it's the Spurs fan in me ;) )
 
^^^Yeah, all of that. To be fair.

Interestingly, my favourite world cup was actually USA '94, when we weren't even there. I think the fact that we weren't there had quite a lot to do with my enjoyment of it -- I wasn't distracted by constant feelings of disappointment.
 
kabbes said:
I don't need goals. It's not the lack of goals -- that was just an illustration. I loved the first half of Brazil - North Korea and that was goalless.

It's more the lack of ambition. Most of the sides so far seem to start the game feeling that 0-0 will do them. Maybe that's because at this stage they have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
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Ah, that's what I thought. If I could be bothered I'd look at first round results from previous tournaments....

I think the "big" teams will get going the more it goes on.
 
Ted Striker said:
No decent games - the group games are usually shit (with the knockouts bringing on the excitement, and a damp squib for a final)

Brazil group aside, the qualifiers from the groups are pretty predictable (on paper).

Plus England are shit. Let's have it out, you can joke about Heskey and Crouch all you want, but we, as a nation, should not need to resort to these kind of players.

I had months of excitement and anticipation, only to see them all together scrape a draw against USA (who are better than we give thgem credit for, but still), and then face the realisation that, even if all 11 players play out of their skin, there's still no way any half decent manager can nullify our forwards and find the holes in our defence.

The shit teams we face may flatter to deceive, but this isn't half the squad we had in 06 (and that's perhaps sadly what I'll always compare it to. That was 'our chance').

The one vague hope we have is in some Fabio mastery gelling everyone together to create a magic set of plucky half decent players that can read each others minds (Heskey or Crouch is no better or worse skilled than Sheringham, but look at the difference in confidence), but that will never happen with the current culture of football superstardom.

I really had my bubble burst against USA. :(

I just feel as if we might as well not be there, we're certainly not going to win it, and if we come across any of our classic 'foes', they will walk over us.

(Always better to line yourslef up for disappointement though, maybe it's the Spurs fan in me ;) )
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did you really get all excited?

God, England play little part in how much I enjoy a tournament. There's only so many times you can suffer the inevitable deflation of the hype before cynicism sets in. :)
 
tommers said:
did you really get all excited?

God, England play little part in how much I enjoy a tournament. There's only so many times you can suffer the inevitable deflation of the hype before cynicism sets in. :)
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True, I just wanted a winge :)

It has been lacking the certain romanticism and flair of previous years, but I'll put that down to the stage of the tournament we're in.

I've got loads of other little niggles that annoy me too...:p

The fact it's so far away means the only English there are the wierdos and the corporate junkies,

The greatest player (as in makes me want to watch it) of the tournament IMO (Ronaldo) is such a diving, girly twat and makes his undeniable skill a pain to watch (as are the rest of them, pretty much)

I can't watch half the games as I'm at work (was it always like this? I suppose in 06 I was actually in Germany and/or on Holiday and 02 at Uni)

ALL, and I mean ALL the pundits are UNIVERSALLY atrocious. The entire ITV line up has no right even to be near an athletics track, which is a given, but where is the Leonardo or fresher faced, unconceited, Lineker or whoever.
 
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Ted Striker said:
True, I just wanted a winge :)

It has been lacking the certain romanticism and flair of previous years, but I'll put that down to the stage of the tournament we're in.

I've got loads of other little niggles that annoy me too...:p

The fact it's so far away means the only English there are the wierdos and the corporate junkies,

The greatest player (as in makes me want to watch it) of the tournament IMO (Ronaldo) is such a diving, girly twat and makes his undeniable skill a pain to watch (as are the rest of them, pretty much)

I can't watch half the games as I'm at work (was it always like this? I suppose in 06 I was actually in Germany and/or on Holiday and 02 at Uni)

ALL, and I mean ALL the pundits are UNIVERSALLY atrocious. The entire ITV line up has no right even to be near an athletics track, which is a given, but where is the Leonardo or fresher faced, unconceited, Lineker or whoever.
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I agree with most of your complaints - except I'd say that Ronaldo has always been a diving, girly twat.

And I'm not sure about the romance of previous tournaments. That's one of the things I like about it being in S Africa and with the horns and everything - it's properly different. It's like watching the stuff in the 70s from South America or Mexico 86 or something. It's not just in Germany or Italy. It's a proper old skool foreign tournament.

I think this is one of the things that improves with age. There was an article the other day about how Italia 90 was wrongly maligned and I thought "no way, I LOVED that tournament", but then I looked up the scores and... fuck me... both semi finals were won on penalties after a 0-0 draw.
 
tarannau said:
'Aggressive noise pollution'

:D

It's like old P has been force-fed copies of the Daily Mail and has been stoked into a Mad Mel type rage and green ink frenzy.
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Now who's making bigoted assumptions? So now I'm a rightwing little Englander on grounds that I'm more sensitive than you about about a collective drone noise that can reach up to 130 decibels? That's louder than a fucking chainsaw by the way.

Slovenia nearly conceded a goal against Algeria because the right back couldn't hear his goalie shouting at him to pick up his short goal kick. Van Persie nearly got booked in the Holland game for shooting with the ball after an offside decision because he couldn't hear the whistle go and neither could anyone watching. Numerous participants in the tournament have voiced their concern about it off the pitch.

We're getting lots of complaints about the lacklustre feel to a lot of these matches so far. Don't you ever entertain the idea that it might have something to with the fact that the players can only hear one monotonous din from the crowd and no discernible feedback from the ebb and flow of the gameplay?

In what circumstance would you think you'd play a better game? Amongst a stadium filled with people cheering on every good passage of play and bemoaning any slack move or a vacuum of a deafeningly insistent untuned B flat?

Staggering ignorance.
 
tarannau said:
You do realise that these 'not so passionate' fans with vuvuzelas are attending the game, often at great expense and travelling difficulty. Meanwhile you're pointing, second hand, to articles in our alarmist press and imagining how awful and disrespectful these second rate fans must be.
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Like I said for the 40000th time, attendance rates don't mean shit if it's simply a means for most of them to make a load of deafening noise. Focus on the argument and stop being an arrogant cunt.
 
Like I said for the 40000th time, attendance rates don't mean shit if it's simply a means for most of them to make a load of deafening noise. Focus on the argument and stop being an arrogant cunt.
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Blimey, I'm beginning to wonder if Poului has had some kind of knock on the head or trauma of some kind. How else could you seriously come to the belief that people are only attending games, often at huge expense and trouble, 'simply' as a means 'for most of them to make a load of deafening noise. 'Them' being second rate african football fans that aren't passionate enough about the game I suppose. They don't have your knowledge or sense of entitlement, clearly.

What argument P? There's just you making an utter fool out of yourself with all kinds of intolerant and hysterical outbursts. Short of pulling down your pants and slapping your head repeatedly, it's unlear how you could make more of an unpleasantly soft-minded dick out of yourself. It beggars belief that you're calling other arrogant or ignorant with your halfwitted and unpleasant dismissal of millions of African fans as not being passionate tbh.
 
tarannau said:
It beggars belief that you're calling other arrogant or ignorant with your halfwitted and unpleasant dismissal of millions of African fans as not being passionate tbh.
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I've given you details of why their behaviour is inconsiderate and disrespectful to the players on the pitch. It's a very poor attitude on display. You have given me nothing to explain why that isn't the case, instead resorting to accusations that I'm wrong to criticise their behaviour in the first place. Why? Explain yourself.
 
Strangely enough you don't speak for all the players and fans of the World Cup. You're just repeating second hand stories from out alarmist media as if they're the 'trooth'like some jumped up 14 year old

And all the time whilst slagging off huge swathes of fans for not being passionate or respectful enough. Based on little more than the fact they're playing a novelty plastic instrument that you have apoplexy about it seems

Get a fucking grip you intolerant fruitloop. Nobody here has shown any agreement with your hysterical claptrap.
 
poului said:
I've given you details of why their behaviour is inconsiderate and disrespectful to the players on the pitch. It's a very poor attitude on display. You have given me nothing to explain why that isn't the case, instead resorting to accusations that I'm wrong to criticise their behaviour in the first place. Why? Explain yourself.
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everyone on this thread thinks you're a cunt. why don't you fuck off.
 
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You really are a pair of nasty cunts, aren't you? It was obviously too optimistic of me to think that you would ever engage in anything that I'd fucking said. Plenty of people have voiced displeasure about the noise and they're people with far more footballing authority than either of you, so you can fuck off and die with that bullying nonsense.
 
poului said:
You really are a pair of nasty cunts, aren't you? It was obviously too optimistic of me to think that you would ever engage in anything that I'd fucking said. Plenty of people have voiced displeasure about the noise and they're people with far more footballing authority than either of you, so you can fuck off and die with that bullying nonsense.
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It's one hell of a step from finding the vuvuzela annoying to the sort of mental shite that you're spouting.
 
The Boy said:
It's one hell of a step from finding the vuvuzela annoying to the sort of mental shite that you're spouting.
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What exactly is so mental about it? Come on, I'm sure there's something resembling a substantial point that you could come up with between yourselves.
 
poului said:
What exactly is so mental about it? Come on, I'm sure there's something resembling a substantial point that you could come up with between yourselves.
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And I'm sure there is a substantial point that you could come up with between yourself and the unnamed football experts you mentioned in your last post.
 
poului said:
Nope. Frustration that none of you want to engage with any of the points I'm making and instead make ridiculous assumptions about me regardless.
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If by 'engage' you mean 'agree wholeheartedly, blindly and dutifully' then yes, there is clearly a refusal to engage with any of the points you are making. Although I will admit to being confused by the use of the plural.

However, if by 'engage' you mean 'debate, disagree or raise counter-arguments' then there is no shortage of engagement here.

Basically, you've made a point, people have a disagree and you've stuck your fingers in your ears and gone 'la, la, la, la'. You've then thrown a few insults at folk which is understandable - after all how could anyone deign to disagree with you? - and generally acted like a cunt.
 
I've not made any assumptions about you - I've simply stated that I don't see it the same way as you. Nor do I buy that the players are being unduly disrupted by this. That's just an excuse to cover them from accusations that this tournament has been rather lacking in flair and some of the games in actual substance so far. It's not like footballers ever make excuses, after all.

What's odd is seeing people queue up to ratify them.

As for the club thing, it was just a question. I'm fairly sure I know the answer anyway. :)
 
poului said:
or you could read...




Evra, Ronaldo, Van Persie. They have more experience than you, I'd imagine.
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Did Evra and Ronaldo come anywhere close to saying that African fans lacked passion and that they were being 'disrespected' by arrogant fans 'simply' only out to make 'a load of deafening noise' then?

Thought not, not that cherry picking from a selection of carefully selected quotes filtered through media outlets really is any way to try to'prove' your distasteful hyperbole.

Rarely has anyone made such an arrogant fool out of themselves or got something so out of proportion on here. Congrats Poului, the king plum of the boards.
 
The Boy said:
If by 'engage' you mean 'agree wholeheartedly, blindly and dutifully' then yes, there is clearly a refusal to engage with any of the points you are making. Although I will admit to being confused by the use of the plural.

However, if by 'engage' you mean 'debate, disagree or raise counter-arguments' then there is no shortage of engagement here.
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I've been accused of being a racist and a Daily Mail reading right-winger. That's a fair bit more than "having a disagree". No one will explain to me why they think that drowning out a stadium with horns constitutes a respectful and engaged approach to the sport.


tarannau said:
Did Evra and Ronaldo come anywhere close to saying that African fans lacked passion and that they were being 'disrespected' by arrogant fans 'simply' only out to make 'a load of deafening noise' then?

Thought not, not that cherry picking from a selection of carefully selected quotes filtered through media outlets really is any way to try to'prove' your distasteful hyperbole
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No cherrypicking. I have only used their statements to support my point that many players are finding the noise a hindrance. Read the post in question.

And someone give me an answer. Is it respectful or not? Does it suggest an engaged approach to the game or not?

No it clearly fucking doesn't.
 
I can't see how anyone, no matter how deluded or arrogant they are, could confidently assert whether blowing a plastic horn makes you more or less engaged with a football game. Let alone respectful, as if that's a pre-requsite for football fans and a good game

The fact that you're asking such pointless and utterly stupid questions is indicative of your fruitloop state and forced position

Frankly I think you've a screw loose.
 
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