Low Scoring World Cup

[discokermit]

here's a quote on the ellis park stadium disaster from wikipedia,

'The Ellis Park Stadium disaster was the worst sporting accident in South African history. On the 11 April 2001 spectators poured into the Ellis Park Stadium in the city of Johannesburg, Gauteng Province, South Africa for the local derby football match between Kaizer Chiefs and Orlando Pirates. There was already a 60,000 capacity crowd in the stadium, but reports suggest a further 30,000 fans were still trying to gain entry to the stadium. Reports also suggest that 120,000 fans were admitted into the stadium. An Orlando Pirates equaliser sparked a further surge by the fans trying to gain entry as they scrambled to see what had happened.

As the crowd surged to gain seats and see the pitch, they overspilled into press boxes. As the stampede pressed forward, 43 people were crushed to death.'


ninety to a hundred and twenty thousand at the match.

do your fucking research poului, you thick ignorant cunt.

 

[discokermit]

As I've articulated repeatedly

massive. fucking. lol.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

Below is a list of averages per game by tournament.

At the current rate 2010 will be easily at the bottom. 22 goals in 14 games just scrapes over 1.5 a game

5.385 : Switzerland 1954
4.667 : France 1938
4.118 : Italy 1934
4.000 : Brazil 1950
3.889 : Uruguay 1930
3.600 : Sweden 1958
2.969 : Mexico 1970
2.808 : Spain 1982
2.781 : Chile 1962
2.781 : England 1966
2.712 : United States 1994
2.684 : Argentina 1978
2.672 : France 1998
2.553 : West Germany 1974
2.538 : Mexico 1986
2.516 : Korea/Japan 2002
2.297 : Germany 2006
2.212 : Italy 1990

 

[poului]

'The Ellis Park Stadium disaster was the worst sporting accident in South African history. On the 11 April 2001 spectators poured into the Ellis Park Stadium in the city of Johannesburg, Gauteng Province, South Africa for the local derby football match between Kaizer Chiefs and Orlando Pirates. There was already a 60,000 capacity crowd in the stadium, but reports suggest a further 30,000 fans were still trying to gain entry to the stadium. Reports also suggest that 120,000 fans were admitted into the stadium. An Orlando Pirates equaliser sparked a further surge by the fans trying to gain entry as they scrambled to see what had happened.

As the crowd surged to gain seats and see the pitch, they overspilled into press boxes. As the stampede pressed forward, 43 people were crushed to death.'


ninety to a hundred and twenty thousand at the match.

Nope. That doesn't mean shit about what I asked. Are you seriously trying to use one tragic event like that guilt-trip me out of the discussion?

Fuck off.

 

[TrippyLondoner]

Loving this 'discussion'.

Just thought i'lld mention that.

 

[poului]

ninety to a hundred and twenty thousand at the match.

do your fucking research poului, you thick ignorant cunt.

Seriously, what an unbelievably tasteless and unnecessary line to take.

Fuck off.

 

[discokermit]

they don't take their football seriously?

you fucking joke.

 

[StanSmith]

Confederations Cup Attendance Records Broken
South Africa's Confederations Cup crowds have broken records...
Jun 24, 2009 12:53:43 PM

Despite reports of poor attendances, LOC CEO Danny Jordaan says that the South African Confederations Cup has broken the record of selling more tickets than any other before it.

Addressing a media briefing in Sandton, Jordan said he is happy with the good response to the Confederations Cup.

“All-in-all we are happy with what has been achieved. This just shows how ready we are for the 2010 World Cup which will have more spectators who were not here this time around.

“We are confident that England, Holland and Germany are coming along with teams from South America. All will bring their own fans and we are ready for them," he said.

“We have already sold 492,000 tickets for the Confederations Cup which is 2,000 more than were sold in Germany in 2005. And we expect the two semi-finals and final will bring us close or maybe over 500,000,” Jordaan added.

“That will place us on a higher average per match than Korea and Japan which was 34,000, higher than France which was 30,000 and maybe higher than Germany’s 37,000,” he said.

Jordaan also revealed that South Africa's group-stage clash against New Zealand drew a record television audience.

“The match in Rustenburg, where Bafana Bafana played New Zealand, generated six million viewers which was the highest viewership in South African history,” he explained.

“[It was] higher than the 2007 Rugby World Cup in Paris when South Africa won the World Cup, that was 5.2 million.

“So we can see the general level of interest the Confederations Cup has generated in this country,” he said jovially.

The ticket sales and viewer figures for last years Confedration Cup suggest South Africans enjoy their football.

 

[poului]

they don't take their football seriously?

you fucking joke.

Thankyou. This is why I hate forums.

An overcrowding incident at one football game doesn't mean the people involved have got the best attitude to the game. What preposterous logic. So all those Liverpool fans at Hillsborough proved themselves to be the most passionate football fans in British history did they? That's insane.

The reason why neither you or bioboy can come up with anything to counter my point is that there isn't one. The behaviour of the crowds at the Confederation and World Cups has been overwhelmingly dominated by one thing alone - an incessant barrage of obnoxious noise throughout the entirety of every single match so far. This does not under any stretch of the imagination resemble a crowd attitude that puts any particular focus on the substance of the game. It can't. It's impossible to give the proceedings on the pitch that much focus because you're emptying your lungs out on a cheaply made plastic lepatata rip off all night.

It's open and shut you try-hard idiot. Why can't you just accept that instead of acting like it's some moral crusade you're fighting? If it doesn't bother you that the crowds clearly aren't engaging with the matches as much as they could then go ahead - but for fuck's sake please don't pretend that isn't anything other than a comparatively superficial display of appreciation for the game.

Thank you and goodnight.

 

[Diamond]

Below is a list of averages per game by tournament.

At the current rate 2010 will be easily at the bottom. 22 goals in 14 games just scrapes over 1.5 a game

5.385 : Switzerland 1954
4.667 : France 1938
4.118 : Italy 1934
4.000 : Brazil 1950
3.889 : Uruguay 1930
3.600 : Sweden 1958
2.969 : Mexico 1970
2.808 : Spain 1982
2.781 : Chile 1962
2.781 : England 1966
2.712 : United States 1994
2.684 : Argentina 1978
2.672 : France 1998
2.553 : West Germany 1974
2.538 : Mexico 1986
2.516 : Korea/Japan 2002
2.297 : Germany 2006
2.212 : Italy 1990

Declining goals per game is a very long term trend.

It's not too difficult to work out why when the dominant tactics of 60/70 years ago involved playing five/four men up front (as in across the forward line) and as few as two or three at the back.

 

[StanSmith]

Declining goals per game is a very long term trends.

It's not too difficult to work out why when the dominant tactics of 60/70 years ago involved playing five/four men up front (as in across the forward line) and as few as two or three at the back.

A very good point, how many teams now play one up front? A hell of a lot more than 70 years ago thats for sure.

 

[discokermit]

Thankyou. This is why I hate forums.

An overcrowding incident at one football game doesn't mean the people involved have got the best attitude to the game. What preposterous logic. So all those Liverpool fans at Hillsborough proved themselves to be the most passionate football fans in British history did they? That's insane.

The reason why neither you or bioboy can come up with anything to counter my point is that there isn't one. The behaviour of the crowds at the Confederation and World Cups has been overwhelmingly dominated by one thing alone - an incessant barrage of obnoxious noise throughout the entirety of every single match so far. This does not under any stretch of the imagination resemble a crowd attitude that puts any particular focus on the substance of the game. It can't. It's impossible to give the proceedings on the pitch that much focus because you're emptying your lungs out on a cheaply made plastic lepatata rip off all night.

It's open and shut you try-hard idiot. Why can't you just accept that instead of acting like it's some moral crusade you're fighting? If it doesn't bother you that the crowds clearly aren't engaging with the matches as much as they could then go ahead - but for fuck's sake please don't pretend that isn't anything other than a comparatively superficial display of appreciation for the game.

Thank you and goodnight.

 

[poului]

Ah yes, the facepalm. Seems like its the new rolleyes. The favoured tool of the self-righteous wanker.

 

[poului]

456f45ygrdfv

Who the fuck are you, anyway?

 

[discokermit]

Ah yes, the facepalm. Seems like its the new rolleyes. The favoured tool of the self-righteous wanker.

 

[toblerone3]

Below is a list of averages per game by tournament.

At the current rate 2010 will be easily at the bottom. 22 goals in 14 games just scrapes over 1.5 a game

5.385 : Switzerland 1954
4.667 : France 1938
4.118 : Italy 1934
4.000 : Brazil 1950
3.889 : Uruguay 1930
3.600 : Sweden 1958
2.969 : Mexico 1970
2.808 : Spain 1982
2.781 : Chile 1962
2.781 : England 1966
2.712 : United States 1994
2.684 : Argentina 1978
2.672 : France 1998
2.553 : West Germany 1974
2.538 : Mexico 1986
2.516 : Korea/Japan 2002
2.297 : Germany 2006
2.212 : Italy 1990

How does one do a graph

 

[bi0boy]

Thankyou. This is why I hate forums.

An overcrowding incident at one football game doesn't mean the people involved have got the best attitude to the game. What preposterous logic. So all those Liverpool fans at Hillsborough proved themselves to be the most passionate football fans in British history did they? That's insane.

The reason why neither you or bioboy can come up with anything to counter my point is that there isn't one. The behaviour of the crowds at the Confederation and World Cups has been overwhelmingly dominated by one thing alone - an incessant barrage of obnoxious noise throughout the entirety of every single match so far. This does not under any stretch of the imagination resemble a crowd attitude that puts any particular focus on the substance of the game. It can't. It's impossible to give the proceedings on the pitch that much focus because you're emptying your lungs out on a cheaply made plastic lepatata rip off all night.

It's open and shut you try-hard idiot. Why can't you just accept that instead of acting like it's some moral crusade you're fighting? If it doesn't bother you that the crowds clearly aren't engaging with the matches as much as they could then go ahead - but for fuck's sake please don't pretend that isn't anything other than a comparatively superficial display of appreciation for the game.

Thank you and goodnight.

Lol you actually think the vuvuzela means South Africans don't appreciate football.

You could apply the same argument to the English citing hooliganism as a reason.

 

[Kaka Tim]

south africans 'aren't serious about football'?

good grief.

Pretty much the only game in the townships and followed with all consuming passion. Football is pretty much all they've got.

but none of them have a sky sports subscription or can be bothered to earn enough money to go to many world cup games - so clearly they aren;t bothered about it are they?

The pub I worked at in leeds sent its team to an 'alternative world cup' event in devon back in 1998. Present was a team of teenagers from soweto (i think lucas radabe might have had something to do with them taking part)
All the european teams went out on the piss every night, turned up for training at midday and had a laugh.
The teenagers from soweto were up at 8 training every day, never went near the pubs and wiped the floor with everyone.

But they dont take football seriously over there - no.

 

[poului]

You could apply the same argument to the English citing hooliganism as a reason.

If the entirety of the English football-going public just went there to get pissed and fight and insisted on doing it at every game then it would be a good reason to discard them, yes.

Well fucking done you arrogant twat.

 

[poului]

south africans 'aren't serious about football'?

good grief.

Pretty much the only game in the townships and followed with all consuming passion. Football is pretty much all they've got.

but none of them have a sky sports subscription or can be bothered to earn enough money to go to many world cup games - so clearly they aren;t bothered about it are they?

The pub I worked at in leeds sent its team to an 'alternative world cup' event in devon back in 1998. Present was a team of teenagers from soweto (i think lucas radabe might have had something to do with them taking part)
All the european teams went out on the piss every night, turned up for training at midday and had a laugh.
The teenagers from soweto were up at 8 training every day, never went near the pubs and wiped the floor with everyone.

But they dont take football seriously over there - no.

Oh here we go. As if a localised example like that amounts to anything.

What exactly do you see as so important about having the competition hosted by more grief stricken nations simply on those grounds alone? It's a massive financial con on FIFAs part anyway.

 

[poului]

*If in doubt, deploy facepalm*

 

[RaverDrew]

What is the point you are trying to make again poului ? I didn't quite understand your OP or it's motivations. Are you trying to suggest that the South Africans are disrespecting the game of football ?

 

[discokermit]

*If in doubt, deploy facepalm*

they aren't in doubt. nobody is in doubt. it's quite plain that you are a div with a big mouth and no social skills. i suggest you give up now before you make an even bigger tit of yourself.

 

[RaverDrew]

It is fucking rubbish, and those of you defending the vuvuzelas are utter twats. To pay money for a world cup and game and then spend all of it making an obnoxious, arrogant and disrespectful racket throughout is such a revoltingly anti-football thing to do.

If FIFA really wanted to give the competition to an African nation why not a country that has a proven track record of enthusiasm about the game
but no, it has to be South Africa cos, you know, of the apartheid and shit.

Cunts.

Goal average of 1.66 in the group stages?? Even Italia 90 managed over 2.

In fact your OP is not only completely clueless, it's actually pretty offensive too.

 

[taffboy gwyrdd]

How does one do a graph

Excellent, or not really given what it shows

ta though.

 

[Le Shark]

In fact your OP is not only completely clueless, it's actually pretty offensive too.

I agree!!

It's still a shit World Cup so far though......for whatever reason!!

 

[bi0boy]

*If in doubt, deploy facepalm*

 

[Ted Striker]

here's a quote on the ellis park stadium disaster from wikipedia,

'The Ellis Park Stadium disaster was the worst sporting accident in South African history. On the 11 April 2001 spectators poured into the Ellis Park Stadium in the city of Johannesburg, Gauteng Province, South Africa for the local derby football match between Kaizer Chiefs and Orlando Pirates. There was already a 60,000 capacity crowd in the stadium, but reports suggest a further 30,000 fans were still trying to gain entry to the stadium. Reports also suggest that 120,000 fans were admitted into the stadium. An Orlando Pirates equaliser sparked a further surge by the fans trying to gain entry as they scrambled to see what had happened.

As the crowd surged to gain seats and see the pitch, they overspilled into press boxes. As the stampede pressed forward, 43 people were crushed to death.'


ninety to a hundred and twenty thousand at the match.

do your fucking research poului, you thick ignorant cunt.

Hardly a fair comparison if one of the teams was a well known uk indie band.

 

[poului]

What is the point you are trying to make again poului ? I didn't quite understand your OP or it's motivations. Are you trying to suggest that the South Africans are disrespecting the game of football ?

In fact your OP is not only completely clueless, it's actually pretty offensive too.

Read the rest of the thread then if you "don't quite understand it" you deceitful little shit.

 

[poului]

it's quite plain that you are a div with a big mouth and no social skills.

Failure to engage once again. You have no argument.