WRONG.
Losing benefit if you're an addict or obese
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WRONG.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Although, if you're honest (something I've seen no indication of in your case, just a lack of critical thinking) and know what you're talking about, you'll know that once you look past the massaged figures for the research "proving" the effectiveness of CBT/GET, it's actual effectiveness for the entire spectrum of ME/CFS symptoms is limited, in fact marginal, and is only effective on a subset of those diagnosed with CFS.
But you probably haven't read any of the research beyond the pamphlet your CFS clinic handed you, have you?
WouldBe
Dislicksick
You gain weight by taking in more calories that you burn off. If your gaining weight then you're over eating.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
So, if the medication contains elements that slow your metabolism or make you retain fluid (to name but two well-known processes that lead to weight gain due to medication), then the weight-gainers are sprucing?
Twat.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
TBF, with a (lack of) bedside manner like that it can only have been St. Thomas's in London.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
More than you would than by driving.
Even if you do experience constant hunger like prader willy syndrome(?) you don't have to act on it.
You're not likely to overweight with bulimia if you vomit it back up after eating it.
Just as you obviously have an overwhelming compulsion to be a twat, someone suffering from Prader-Willi syndrome will have an overwhelming compulsion to eat- not just to eat food, to eat anything. it's a compulsion, not an urge.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
It doesn't appeal to me.
StoneRoad
heckling from the back!
WouldBe - it would seem that you are in a minority on this subject, would you like a ladder to climb out of the hole, or are you planning to continue digging to the antipodes ?
I've a number of friends and relatives with obesity problems and afaik none of them are willingly overeating - their situations are all far more complex than a single cause of simple comfort eating .........
I've a number of friends and relatives with obesity problems and afaik none of them are willingly overeating - their situations are all far more complex than a single cause of simple comfort eating .........
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WouldBe
Dislicksick
They are round here. Guess it depends where you live. How about cricket on the village green? or having a kick around there?Here's the thing: Most fields aren't fallow or pasture.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The fact that it appeals to some people doesn't bother me. There will always be mugs and wankers who get off on victim-blaming.
What bothers me is how willing the media are to propagate these manufactured myths, rather than rebutting them.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
The program is run by a qualified doctor and team who accurately work out how many calories are being eaten and then work out a scientifically based diet plan for then to acheive their ideal weight. But hey what would they know.
while wouldbe is obviously wrong here, is there any point in getting drawn into an argument about weight gain due to medication etc? It rather reinforces the idea that there's good, excusable weight gain (due to medication or rare genetic conditions) and bad weight gain (due to having no self control, eating too much and not getting any exercise).
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Not everyone lives around yours, do they?
And yeah, having a kick around, great idea unless, like me, one of your legs is fucked and/or your sense of balance is fucked and/or the actual act of walking causes you the sort of pain that cuts right through anything short of morphine.
Your philosophy is simplistic, threadbare and egocentric. Were you a junior officer in the army?
The program is run by a qualified doctor and team who accurately work out how many calories are being eaten and then work out a scientifically based diet plan for then to acheive their ideal weight. But hey what would they know.
Yabbut, if I were treating you I'd say what I thought you were capable of hearing, not what was the case, as well.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Sorry but your wrong. Even if your were on ever tablet known to man that caused weight gain. If you ate nothing at all you wouldn't put weight on would you you muppet?
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Yes I have actually. The fact that it's mostly innefective is irellavant. The point I was arguing was that you can do those excersises at home, you don't need subsidies / financing to be able to get to a leisure center or whatever to be able to do excercise.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Well find some other way to deal with it then. That's what doctors / councillors are for. Just stop shoveling food down your throat then whinging and whining that everyone / everything else is to blame. That's what I have a problem with not that someone is overweight. Take some fucking responsibility for your actions.
Oh fuck off.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Then your eating too much.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
The program is run by a qualified doctor and team who accurately work out how many calories are being eaten and then work out a scientifically based diet plan for then to acheive their ideal weight. But hey what would they know.
Ooh, a "qualified doctor"! Well that makes it alright!
As for "scientifically-based diet plan", alldiet plans claim to be scientifically-based, usually on a very simple basis of calorific burn rate.
Here's the problem for any "scientifically-based diet plan", though: Everyone burns off calories at a different rate. There's a variance in burn rate of up to +/- 20% between two individuals. That makes any diet plan "hit and miss", without even taking into account other confounding factors.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I didn't say 'materially deprive' people.
How about educating people as to what a sensible portion size is?
I think you need to serve yourself a generous portion of shut the fuck up.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Sorry but it's basic biology / medicine that weight gain is simply down to calories in - calories out. If you're gaining weight for whatever reason your either eating too much (even if it's what you usually eat) or you're not burning enough calories off.
If your medication makes you gain weight then your eating more than you need to. If your un happy with that weigh gain then eat less or excercise more.
you aren't.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I didn't say 'materially deprive' people.
How about educating people as to what a sensible portion size is?
"Sensible portion size" is a meaningless term.
Corax
Luke 5:16
I love the whole "make smokers/obese people/whatever pay for treatment" angle, because it's just so, so ridiculous. It's so absurd it makes me laugh.
Fatty twats like me who smoke and drink die young, often before pensionable age - we don't consume much NHS resource, because by the time we're diagnosed then it's already metastatic and a month or so in a (low-cost) hospice is all that's required before we pop our clogs. Having, of course, spent those short years contributing tax far beyond what we use, including that on tobacco and alcohol (which I have no problem with - big up the welfare state)
Those that eat well, don't have any unhealthy vices, exercise regularly etc - they live to a ripe old age, usually developing a host of comorbidities (heart failure, COPD, diabetes etc), and have numerous hospital admissions in their last decade of life. The financial burden on the NHS and SS is far greater for the healthy people than idiots like me who'll be unlikely to see 50.
I'm not for a second advocating an unhealthy lifestyle, but it's not the smokers, obese etc that are putting such a burden on healthcare. Quite the opposite.
There was a reputed peer-reviewed journal paper that studied this in depth a few years ago, but I'm buggered if I can remember which journal it was in.
Fatty twats like me who smoke and drink die young, often before pensionable age - we don't consume much NHS resource, because by the time we're diagnosed then it's already metastatic and a month or so in a (low-cost) hospice is all that's required before we pop our clogs. Having, of course, spent those short years contributing tax far beyond what we use, including that on tobacco and alcohol (which I have no problem with - big up the welfare state
)Those that eat well, don't have any unhealthy vices, exercise regularly etc - they live to a ripe old age, usually developing a host of comorbidities (heart failure, COPD, diabetes etc), and have numerous hospital admissions in their last decade of life. The financial burden on the NHS and SS is far greater for the healthy people than idiots like me who'll be unlikely to see 50.
I'm not for a second advocating an unhealthy lifestyle, but it's not the smokers, obese etc that are putting such a burden on healthcare. Quite the opposite.
There was a reputed peer-reviewed journal paper that studied this in depth a few years ago, but I'm buggered if I can remember which journal it was in.
WouldBe
Dislicksick
Well some of the people on supersize v superskinny seem to think a bucket full of food per meal is an acceptable portion.
