Losing benefit if you're an addict or obese

[jakethesnake]

We are lucky to have such a fine specimen of physical perfection as our leader.

 

[Greebo]

We are lucky to have such a fine specimen of physical perfection as our leader.

Thanks a bundle, you've put me off my breakfast.

 

[jakethesnake]

Thanks a bundle, you've put me off my breakfast.

Lol. Sorry about that!

 

[Greebo]

Lol. Sorry about that!

You will be, sweetie, you will be.

 

[jakethesnake]

You will be, sweetie, you will be.

I'm trying to hide it but can't work out how to edit in a spoiler thingy... I'm feeling slightly nauseous too if that's any consolation.

 

[Greebo]

Go into the other "options bit" when you edit?

 

[jakethesnake]

Go into the other "options bit" when you edit?

Nope. Sorry can't seem to do it... I've got to go off to work now (second job, very highly taxed) so my apologies but that image is going to sit like a turd until at least when I get back this evening. Report the post?

 

[Greebo]

Nope. Sorry <snip> that image is going to sit like a turd until at least when I get back this evening. Report the post?

Nah - I'll just ignore the thread.

 

[WouldBe]

If you want to risk an arse cheek full of birdshot, sure!

Unlikely to happen if you don't play in a field of crops. Also don't play in a field with 'cows' in.

 

[WouldBe]

Often obesity and over eating is a psychological compulsion, an attempt to manage difficult emotions.

Well find some other way to deal with it then. That's what doctors / councillors are for. Just stop shoveling food down your throat then whinging and whining that everyone / everything else is to blame. That's what I have a problem with not that someone is overweight. Take some fucking responsibility for your actions.

 

[WouldBe]

and you're wrong

even ignoring your choice to be an arsehole and your ignorance about the hormonal feedback that controls appetite, you're still wrong.

Sorry but your wrong. Stuffing your face requires you to make conscious decisions which can over ride hormonal feedback. Everyone gets horny from time to time it doesn't mean they go out and shag anything they come across.

 

[purenarcotic]

Sorry but your wrong. Stuffing your face requires you to make conscious decisions which can over ride hormonal feedback. Everyone gets horny from time to time it doesn't mean they go out and shag anything they come across.

Do you have any idea how eating disorders work?

 

[eatmorecheese]

Well find some other way to deal with it then. That's what doctors / councillors are for. Just stop shoveling food down your throat then whinging and whining that everyone / everything else is to blame. That's what I have a problem with not that someone is overweight. Take some fucking responsibility for your actions.

....or else lose benefits?

If only individuals and society as a whole, with all the social, medical and psychological basket of variables they contain, would just 'pull themselves together'. Simple. Easy. Common-sense.

 

[WouldBe]

Many disabled people who live sedentary lives due to their condition are getting Diabetes, becoming clinically obese, afaik, there is no support or funding, to say, provide travel/care to go swimming, etc. Would these people be affected, and how long before it would be extended, people with M.E must have CBT, Graded Exercise, etc or lose benefits?

If you're living a sedentary life then don't eat as much. I don't. It's not rocket science.
As someone with ME once you have been shown how to do CBT and graded excercise you can do it at home. It costs nothing.

 

[purenarcotic]

Ah, you're one of those people. The 'something worked for me therefore it MUST work for everyone else and anyone who finds it a struggle is just lazy and useless'.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Ok blame people for eating.
Any blame for mass processed, heavily advertised, sugary fatty food produced by global companies?
Any blame for our govt giving us conflicting dietry advice for the last 30 years?
Any blame for the govt for allowing their friends in global megacorps for labelling processed food as 'healthy'?

Well said, and to which we can add:
Any blame for the destruction of independent shops and traders in some locales by supermarket chains?
Any blame to the Thatcher government that took an excellent nutritional system (nutritionally-balanced school meals) delivered to growing bodies, and reduced it to a "calories only" system?

 

[Greebo]

<snip> As someone with ME once you have been shown how to do CBT and graded excercise you can do it at home. It costs nothing.

As the partner of (and carer for) somebody with ME, CBT and graded exercise are neither beneficial nor helpful for everyone with that diagnosis.

If anything, I often have to bollock VP into doing less, not more.

 

[WouldBe]

and with those 40 kcals you burn off doing that, how much weight do you think you'll lose?

More than you would than by driving.

Even if you do experience constant hunger like prader willy syndrome(?) you don't have to act on it.
You're not likely to overweight with bulimia if you vomit it back up after eating it.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I know that, but given that one of their stated aims is to reduce spending on benefits, I'd be interested to know if they've actually achieved this.

No, they haven't. In fact measures such as the "Bedroom Tax" and the pay freeze imposed on low to middle grade public sector workers has meant a rise in claims for in-work benefits, including a BOOMING Housing Benefit bill.

 

[ShiftyBagLady]

Wouldbe's repugnant attitude is exactly the response that the government want to elicit in people regarding benefits claimants. It's your choice to be fat, it's your choice to be addicted lalalalalala mine is not to reason why. It's not only solidifying a divide between the Worthy and the Unworthy but it's concentrating very complex (and real and urgent) and systematic problems into a simple binary of right/wrong, punishing rather than helping.
The fact that this appeals to some people is, frankly, quite worrying.

 

[WouldBe]

His pronouncements are also heavily larded (pardon the pun!) with bullshit.Anyone consistently eating 3x the RDA of calories would be dead very quickly.
The fact is that it's only necessary for your inputs to exceed your outputs by a hundred calories a day or so, in order to have noticeable weight gain over the course of a year, but it's easier to stigmatise obese people than to open your mind and challenge your prejudices.

I suggest you try watching some episodes of supersize v superskinny then where several of the participants were eating around 9000 cals per day.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Unlikely to happen if you don't play in a field of crops. Also don't play in a field with 'cows' in.

Here's the thing: Most fields aren't fallow or pasture.

 

[purenarcotic]

More than you would than by driving.

Even if you do experience constant hunger like prader willy syndrome(?) you don't have to act on it.
You're not likely to overweight with bulimia if you vomit it back up after eating it.

Except those with Prader-Willi Syndrome also have associated learning difficulties so usually lack the capacity to understand their constant hunger and how to control it you ignorant arse.

It is also extremely difficult for parents to manage this so even though there may huge levels of intervention and support for families living with the condition, it really is not as simple as giving the child smaller portions or whatever.

 

[WouldBe]

As the partner of (and carer for) somebody with ME, CBT and graded exercise are neither beneficial nor helpful for everyone with that diagnosis.

If anything, I often have to bollock VP into doing less, not more.

They are having very little effect on me either. The point I was replying to was funding for excersise which you don't need if you do it at home.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I suggest you try watching some episodes of supersize v superskinny then where several of the participants were eating around 9000 cals per day.

I prefer to source my opinions from this stuff called "scientific research", rather than from sensationalist tabloid television programmes whose raison d'etre is to generate cheap thrills for the viewers by giving them a target to demonise, thanks all the same.

 

[WouldBe]

....or else lose benefits?

If only individuals and society as a whole, with all the social, medical and psychological basket of variables they contain, would just 'pull themselves together'. Simple. Easy. Common-sense.

Less benefits you wouldn't be able to buy as much food.

E2a: seeking help from a GP or councillor is not "pull yourself together"

 

[purenarcotic]

Less benefits you wouldn't be able to buy as much food.

E2a: seeking help from a GP or councillor is not "pull yourself together"

Oh fuck off. Just fuck off.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Sorry but your wrong. Stuffing your face requires you to make conscious decisions which can over ride hormonal feedback. Everyone gets horny from time to time it doesn't mean they go out and shag anything they come across.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Can you guess why (clue: lack of servicing one desire kills you, the other doesn't)?

 

[WouldBe]

Nothing like increasing material deprivation to drive people away from self-destructive behaviour.

I didn't say 'materially deprive' people.

How about educating people as to what a sensible portion size is?

 

[WouldBe]

No but there is medication for many conditions that piles the pounds on regardless of whether or not you are 'uncontrollably shoving food down your throat' you fucking tool.

Unless that medication contains a Kg of sugar per tablet no it fucking won't. You only get calories from what you shove down your throat. If you find yourself putting on weight then cut down what you're eating.