Losing benefit if you're an addict or obese
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CosmikRoger
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This shit makes me think of Judge Dredd from the early 80's, fat people thrown in the cubes and not allowed out until they weighed less than 300kg.
We laughed cos we knew it was a satirical look on a fascist state, not laughing much now.
We laughed cos we knew it was a satirical look on a fascist state, not laughing much now.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Nothing like increasing material deprivation to drive people away from self-destructive behaviour.
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
I know people who've lost it and kept it off. Still, good to see divide and conquer working.
2000 AD was remarkably prescient in many ways
btw, as usual, BBC News seems to be salivating over this.
andysays
Love and solidarity
I know people who've lost it and kept it off. Still, good to see divide and conquer working.
I'm sure most of us know people who have lost weight and kept it off, and also those who haven't been able to lose it, or who have lost it then put it on again.
I'm sure many of us know those addicted to one thing or another who have got off and managed to stay off, and also those who haven't been able to get off, or who have got off but have then got back on again.
Simply saying that we know more in one group than another* is unhelpful because it doesn't even attempt to recognise that there are a whole host of reasons for each person's situation, including why/how they got into that position, how far into it they are and what sort and level of help they are able to get.
This suggested policy is all about divide and rule, but your comments so far seem to be encouraging that rather than challenging it.
*and you're the one who started pursuing that particular tack
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
No. See post #15. I'm actually a great believer in, "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone," despite not being religious.
Addiction is addiction and it's pointless to go down the route of "it's easier to give that up than this", for all sorts of reasons.
Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
This is the truth. Sitting ducks, without the ability to fight, crippled sitting ducks as it were. Tax avoidance - too difficult for even HMRC to get a grip on it seems. Banking regulation, forgetaboutit.
Nylock
I hate 'these days'...
No but there is medication for many conditions that piles the pounds on regardless of whether or not you are 'uncontrollably shoving food down your throat' you fucking tool.Sorry but that's BS. There is no medical condition or medication that makes your arm uncontrollably shove food down your throat.
andysays
Love and solidarity
No. See post #15. I'm actually a great believer in, "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone," despite not being religious.
So what is the point of saying
even if you then qualify it?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Johnny Vodka
The Abominable Scotsman
Because it's probably true IME, though it was more to counteract post 15. That said, I've encountered a number of older adults who don't drink, without declaring why (not that it's any of my business). I always suspect some of them are ex-alcoholics*. To put it this way - I don't know anyone who's declared themselves an ex-alcoholic (as in one that has successfully given up drinking), only alcoholics.
*and yes I understand the whole idea of once you're an alcoholic, you're always an alcoholic, but I'm thinking of whether they're active or not
KeeperofDragons
Crazy dragon lady
Being prescribed steroids long term you fucking arsehole, & before you chime in that I don't know what I'm talking about there are 2 things I know of that are prescribed steroids for long term - colitis & some rheumatoid conditions, steroids make you gain weight without overeating - so you can shove your crap up your arse & set fire to it.Sorry but that's BS. There is no medical condition or medication that makes your arm uncontrollably shove food down your throat.
KeeperofDragons
Crazy dragon lady
Very true
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
Thankfully we all know that depression doesn't exist, it's just laziness and that laziness can be cured by working for free at Poundland or Tesco.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
So apart from all the medical conditions which influence how fat is produced and deposited and/or what exercise can be taken, and all the medications that have weight gain as a side effect, and all the lengthily documented psychological issues that often lead to weight gain, there's just no reason why people can't be thin. Glad we've got that sorted out.
I don't read The Sun, but apparently they have been running quite a lot of stories about fat/obese claimants many whom they claim refuse 'offers of help'
So, the early stages of the softening up process has begun, now the BBC will run with it, this was New Labour's M.O as well
So, the early stages of the softening up process has begun, now the BBC will run with it, this was New Labour's M.O as well
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
Are there medical treatment programs for people addicted to drugs or alcohol? Do they exist?
do enough places exist for all affected claimants to be refered on to?
Or is this some populist soundbite that no politicians expect to turn into a funded policy?
do enough places exist for all affected claimants to be refered on to?
Or is this some populist soundbite that no politicians expect to turn into a funded policy?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Yes, he said it. The horrible cunt.
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
I'm fed up with all this fat bashing.
Fat /body fads are an elitist obsesssion that somehow seemed to have got mixed up with health advice, and now they want to mix it up with benefits policy. arrrgh!
Fat /body fads are an elitist obsesssion that somehow seemed to have got mixed up with health advice, and now they want to mix it up with benefits policy. arrrgh!
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J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
I don't think this is far from the truth, it's hard to forget IDS' pronouncements that what he is doing is right regardless of all objective evidence to the contrary and of course the DWP's irrationality has led to its upper echelons seeking refuge in cult-like group think.
They don't care if it doesn't work, they will have achieved their goal of creating another hate group, look at the state of training for the unemployed:, brainwashing courses to inculcate the 'right attitude', provision of old computers to look for non existent jobs, compare with Germany which for all its faults (Harz 4)offers high quality apprenticeships for all ages, its to save money and is ideological, the Thatcher revolution continues.
friendofdorothy
Solidarity against neoliberalism!
At work (amongst older people and their low paid carers) I keep hearing people talking about 'scrongers on benefits' - as if they are to blame for all our economic ills. Most people seem to believe this sort of propaganda.
Its so depressing.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
A lot of people seem to really struggle to think outside of this mentality even when they are in the exact same position as the people they are complicit in demonising. I can't count the number of times I have heard colleagues in call centres (on fuck all money, shit conditions) say how glad they are that they don't have to sign on anymore because job centres are full of 'chavs', it isn't just people from middle-class backgrounds saying this either though obviously that is more commonly the case. There is a lot of anxiety, frustration and hate and it has be directed somewhere, we just have to figure out how to direct it at them instead of amongst ourselves.
