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Losing benefit if you're an addict or obese

Diets etc are totally irrelevant. The social security system should not be repurposed as an instrument of moral inquisition and punishment. Let them eat cake.

Unfortunately, even the basic premises used to construct the welfare state were somewhat based on a moral perspective, and politicians have taken advantage of that ever since to play "divide and rule".
 
Conditioned by years of propoganda against the poor, which is still going strong with crap such as Benefits Britain etc.


When I describe civil society I include the remnants of the left whom while enfeebled can still mobilise when they want to, one can only conclude they are not bothered about claimants
 
Exactly, aided by tissue and bone growth caused by steroids (he gained about 4 inches in height too, from 6ft at 15,to 6ft 4" at 16, even though the hospital waited to operate until he'd "finished growing"). Poor fucker got called Little Tom for years after that.
Whoa.

Hold the front page : Growing teenager gains weight shocker.

How disingenuous of you failing to take into account your cousins growth. If you work out his BMI before and after treatment then his BMI goes up by 2.67. If you then work that back that equates to 2-3Kg weight gain over an 18 month course of steroids (if my maths hasn't failed me as well).

Which is fuck all. So congratulations for proving that medication, especially steroids, don't cause weight gain. It also proves that as long as your calorie intake is matched to your metabolic needs your metabolism doesn't cause weight gain.

I thought urban was more intelligent than this and am deeply shocked at the amount of denial as to what causes obesity rather than complicates (if that's the right work) obesity.

While good(?), intelligent(?) people like those on urban keep perpetuating these fallacious myths that obesity is caused by :-
Water retention,
Your metabolism,
Side effects of medication,
Hormones
and that exercise is too expensive, then vulnerable people who may believe these myths "I've seen it on the internet it must be true" then you're contributing to the obesity 'crisis' in this country rather than helping it.

You should be ashamed of your selves. :(
 
Whoa.

Hold the front page : Growing teenager gains weight shocker.

How disingenuous of you failing to take into account your cousins growth. If you work out his BMI before and after treatment then his BMI goes up by 2.67. If you then work that back that equates to 2-3Kg weight gain over an 18 month course of steroids (if my maths hasn't failed me as well).

Which is fuck all. So congratulations for proving that medication, especially steroids, don't cause weight gain. It also proves that as long as your calorie intake is matched to your metabolic needs your metabolism doesn't cause weight gain.

I thought urban was more intelligent than this and am deeply shocked at the amount of denial as to what causes obesity rather than complicates (if that's the right work) obesity.

While good(?), intelligent(?) people like those on urban keep perpetuating these fallacious myths that obesity is caused by :-
Water retention,
Your metabolism,
Side effects of medication,
Hormones
and that exercise is too expensive, then vulnerable people who may believe these myths "I've seen it on the internet it must be true" then you're contributing to the obesity 'crisis' in this country rather than helping it.

You should be ashamed of your selves. :(

Go back and read my posts again.
That way you'll see how you've humiliated yourself again.
I made it very clear that the hospital waited to operate until he'd finished growing (they monitored his hormone levels for a year beforehand). They did so to minimise damage to those other parts of the endocrinal system that rely on the pituitary gland for development (you are aware of what the pituitary gland does, I take it?). In other words, any weight gain was attributable to no other factor than the medication he was given, not to natural growth,and not to calorific intake.
 
Yes I'm fully aware of that. If you carry on eating enough calories per day to meet your metabolic needs then you won't burn any fat off.

Human beings constantly burn off fat. What you mean (but appear to lack the wit to say) is that if you eat enough to replace the burned-off stored energy that you use on an ongoing basis as fuel for living, then you won't lose weight.
Fuck, you can't even elucidate a basic biological mechanism correctly. No wonder you talk such shit.
 
With that I'm leaving this thread as the levels of denial on here are making me physically ill. :(
Katie Hopkins already exists, you'll never monetize this shit.
Also, I don't think the degree to which you are right or wrong on this* has any bearing whatsoever on the cuntishness of what the Tories are up to.

* - and I don't think you're necessarily wrong about 100% of cases, I'm certainly prone to bouts of comfort eating at times, but then Urban doesn't do nuance once the Tories have been mentioned on a thread. Because they are utter cunts who provoke a certain gut reaction.
 
Whoa.

Hold the front page : Growing teenager gains weight shocker.

How disingenuous of you failing to take into account your cousins growth. If you work out his BMI before and after treatment then his BMI goes up by 2.67. If you then work that back that equates to 2-3Kg weight gain over an 18 month course of steroids (if my maths hasn't failed me as well).

Which is fuck all. So congratulations for proving that medication, especially steroids, don't cause weight gain. It also proves that as long as your calorie intake is matched to your metabolic needs your metabolism doesn't cause weight gain.

I thought urban was more intelligent than this and am deeply shocked at the amount of denial as to what causes obesity rather than complicates (if that's the right work) obesity.

While good(?), intelligent(?) people like those on urban keep perpetuating these fallacious myths that obesity is caused by :-
Water retention,
Your metabolism,
Side effects of medication,
Hormones
and that exercise is too expensive, then vulnerable people who may believe these myths "I've seen it on the internet it must be true" then you're contributing to the obesity 'crisis' in this country rather than helping it.

You should be ashamed of your selves. :(
Are you aware that BMI is a universally-used but utterly pointless number as it doesn't take into account, for example, muscle mass, build etc? If you are, why are you perpetrating it when it's been shown to useless?
 
The argument about "self-control" is at the root of why they're attacking these particular members of society, though - because the obese and the addicted can be projected as lacking self-control; can be stigmatised as the authors of our own misfortune, and therefore can be made targets of (self)-righteous indignation. Unless we address the self-control issue, we leave space for governments to pull the same stunts over and over again.
But self control shouldn't be the issue. By encouraging poor people to blame each other the govt hopes we will forget to blame them.
The Govt blames the people least able to defend themselves.
 
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But self control shouldn't be the issue. By encouraging poor people to blame each other the govt hopes we will forget to blame them.
The Govt blames the people least able to defend themselves.

Of course it shouldn't be an issue - it's utterly irrelevant! Unfortunately they (politicians and their friends in the media) have made it an issue, and empty heads have already started baying at the scapegoat (us!) that they've manufactured.
 
heh, I se they have revived the idea of making unemployed youths do community service. Thats so morally and logistically fucked an idea I can only suppose they are on yet another whistle for votes
 
heh, I se they have revived the idea of making unemployed youths do community service. Thats so morally and logistically fucked an idea I can only suppose they are on yet another whistle for votes

As in the community service you get for committing a crime?

I'd certainly want to get my quota of crimes in if I was a young unemployed person negotiating such a system.
 
heh, I se they have revived the idea of making unemployed youths do community service. Thats so morally and logistically fucked an idea I can only suppose they are on yet another whistle for votes
And they're supposed to be looking for work as well, a friend works in the jobcentre and changes to the jobseekers benefit they're supposed to be looking for work 37 hours a week. Now how the he'll is anyone supposed to do that & community service at the same time - ready made excuse to sanction everyone :hmm::mad:
 
heh, I se they have revived the idea of making unemployed youths do community service. Thats so morally and logistically fucked an idea I can only suppose they are on yet another whistle for votes

I wonder how they're going to manage this, because it applies to under-18s and under-18s these days find it hard to get voluntary work. My daughter is at sixth form and really, really, wants to work with animals in some respect, but can't because all the charities require volunteers to be over 18 because of insurance problems when having children work with animals. The same would apply to having under-18s work with vulnerable humans.

The city farm near us does do a Saturday course for under-18s, and has some teenagers working there, but it's unusual, and it's about three hours a week for ten weeks maximum.

Volunteer work for under-18s is hard to get these days.
 
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