Lord Taylor is guilty

[ViolentPanda]

Get the allusion? That's your allusion, you are the one who thinks in that way. Which is why you are a twat.

Does the use of a particular allusion mean that the allusion is an accurate depiction of how that person thinks, or is the use of an allusion just a neat "shorthand" for conveying a set of ideas that you may or may not agree with?

 

[butchersapron]

It is fair to say that Taylor, both as a Prospective Parliamentary Candidate (for Cheltenham, IIRC, where the local Tories objected to his melanin content) and as a Tory lord, fig-leaved some of the party's more distasteful ventures into blatant racism.

Myself, I wouldn't call him "Chalky", I'd call him what he was and is: A cunt.

On reflection i shouldn't have brought history into it - you're right. It was probably enough for now just to do as you suggest. But once the ball was rolling...

 

[ViolentPanda]

Which is more likely, that a poster with no history of racism and who has consistently attacked the right, is guilty of making a racist jibe or of thumbing his nose at some pretty offensive tokenistic politics?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

It's plainly obvious, Louis.

Butchers' is a filthy racist. He must be, because Rutita says so.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Exactly what? Because some posters have a 'rep' on here they can't be called on anything?

Interestingly, here's a thread about Davis Chaytor. I don't see any references or jokes that alluded to the colour of his skin or ethnicity.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/th...aytor-convicted/page2?highlight=David+Chaytor

Chaytor never tried to use the colour of his skin to advance his personal position, or to fig-leaf his chosen political party's politics, though. Taylor has a 20-year history of doing so. I think that makes an allusion necessary, if not exactly tasteful.

 

[southside]

Is it any suprise that a pier who is an ex Tory MP should have been exposed as a fraudster?

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think its racist because the implication is that if a black person is a Tory then he must obviously not be 'black' because black people just should not do that.

Load of tosh. For anyone who knows anything at all about Taylor's career, branding him a "coconut" (something Darcus Howe and, IIRC, Bernie Grant did way back in the days when Taylor was seeking to become a Tory MP) isn't racist, it's a statement of how Taylor came over in many black communities at the time, especially with some of the dickheaded "law and order" crap he spouted. The guy was (and is) like a Mini-me Monday Club member.

 

[ViolentPanda]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12275821

How are obvious liars like Dorries et al getting away with it?

Because while their actions were obviously ropey, they (supposedly) acted within the rules as set out at that time.

 

[Treacle Toes]

It's plainly obvious, Louis.

Butchers' is a filthy racist. He must be, because Rutita says so.

...and where did I say that exactly? Quote?

Fuck off exaggerating my posts/opinions.

 

[Random]

...and where did I say that exactly? Quote?

You said 'it's no better than what Davidson did'.

 

[ViolentPanda]

wait until you find out what he really thinks of the lib dems. chilling.

Why, doesn't everyone think that lib-dems should be disemboweled with soup spoons, and then have their intestines draped over a clothes horse so that rabid foxes can feed on them?

 

[Treacle Toes]

You said 'it's no better than what Davidson did'.

Yes, by using a lazy, marginalising, characterisation. Cheap laughs/shots.

I didn't suggest that BA is like JD though, nor did I call him a filthy racist.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Yes, lazy, marginalising, characterisation. Cheap laughs/shots.

I didn't suggest that BA is like JD though, nor did I call him a filthy racist.

And racist? Or am I imposing a subtext you didn't intend?

Louis MacNeice

 

[ViolentPanda]

Lord Taylor stood for the Tories in a parliamentary seat, experienced a load of racism from his local Tory party, lost the seat and as compensation was awarded a peerage, becoming the first black Tory member of the House of Lords.

Yep.
The local constituency party caused Conservative HQ considerable embarrassment at the time. There was them trying to pretend how "colour-blind" the party was, and there was a constituency party showing them up in all their bigoted glory.

After that wee history lesson....

I reckon he allowed himself to be used for his ethnicity by the Tories to show how 'non-racist' they were after a media storm over racism in Cheltenham Tory party. He's not a stupid man (though obviously was over the expenses fiddling thing) so I would imagine he was smart enough to realise this but accepted the peerage anyway. Which all ties in with BA's original explanation.

And Taylor has carried on fig-leafing the party since his peerage.

 

[Blagsta]

LOL! Looking at his pic, I realise it was him I told to F off in Harrods a couple of years ago when he walked into me and didn't say sorry, lol

 

[nino_savatte]

Load of tosh. For anyone who knows anything at all about Taylor's career, branding him a "coconut" (something Darcus Howe and, IIRC, Bernie Grant did way back in the days when Taylor was seeking to become a Tory MP) isn't racist, it's a statement of how Taylor came over in many black communities at the time, especially with some of the dickheaded "law and order" crap he spouted. The guy was (and is) like a Mini-me Monday Club member.

I once used the word "coconut" describe someone like Taylor (it could have been Derek Laud) and I got a lot of stick for it.

 

[nino_savatte]

And Taylor has carried on fig-leafing the party since his peerage.

So has Derek Laud and now Katherine Burbalsingh (is she thick or what?)

 

[past caring]

And racist? Or am I imposing a subtext you didn't intend?

Louis MacNeice

I took a similar subtext from this, I'm afraid....

you defaulted to racialised insults. Nice.

 

[past caring]

I once used the word "coconut" describe someone like Taylor (it could have been Derek Laud) and I got a lot of stick for it.

That's 'cos you is a honky.

 

[Treacle Toes]

I took a similar subtext from this, I'm afraid....

Both chalky/coconut are 'racialised' insults, whereas cunt, tory cunt, robbing tory cunt hahaha, are not.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Both chalky/coconut are 'racialised' insults, whereas cunt, tory cunt, robbing tory cunt hahaha, are not.

So you are calling him a racist?

Louis MacNeice

 

[ViolentPanda]

So far the only person who's made an out and out racist comment on here is Stoat Boy, with his "And lets be honest, being found guilty at Southwark Crown Court, well you dont get much 'blacker' than that." and so far no one's bothered to call him on it.

Because it's plainly ignorant (in keeping with much of what Stoat Boy writes) to anyone who's ever visited the vaunted halls of justice that are Southwark CC.

 

[past caring]

Both chalky/coconut are 'racialised' insults, whereas cunt, tory cunt, robbing tory cunt hahaha, are not.

I think "defaulted" was the operative word in the bit I quoted....

 

[nino_savatte]

That's 'cos you is a honky.

Well, actually, I'm more commonly described as mixed race.

 

[butchersapron]

I think "defaulted" was the operative word in the bit I quoted....

...almost as if white people are expected to be racist.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Sexist!

You've got me bang-to-rights, Louis.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Is it any suprise that a pier who is an ex Tory MP should have been exposed as a fraudster?

He wasn't an ex-MP, he lost the by-election for the seat he was fighting, not least because the local Tories couldn't bear the idea of a black MP.

 

[ViolentPanda]

...and where did I say that exactly? Quote?

You didn't, hence the smiley.

Fuck off exaggerating my posts/opinions.

I haven't, you over-sensitive dimbulb.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's 'cos you is a honky.

Except that he isn't.

 

[southside]

He wasn't an ex-MP, he lost the by-election for the seat he was fighting, not least because the local Tories couldn't bear the idea of a black MP.

So by him loosing his seat does that not make him an ex MP?

 

[ViolentPanda]

...almost as if white people are expected to be racist.

Whereas the reality is that every fucker is, regardless of their skin-colour or ethnicity. We're all nasty little haters.