Lord Taylor is guilty
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claphamboy
The wheels on the bus go round and round....
No, because he was never an MP. He was never elected.
Treacle Toes
Time
...and you can fuck off with that crap too.
Treacle Toes
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No, my expectation was that being a anti-racist/facist you wouldn't default to using a lazy, marginalising, characterisation for cheap laughs/shots.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
So let's just be clear here then - my default setting is to racist. It's ok for you to expect me not to be. It's not ok for me to expect Taylor not to act as a fig-leaf for racism. Expectations are bad.
past caring
The Cathars were right
Except that he isn't.
I know that now.
I'd be interested to hear what kinds of "shit" nino got and from who - and whether he thinks that reaction was specific to his race. But maybe a discussion for a different thread.
past caring
The Cathars were right
The logic of this is that you believe that the unmodified position of whites is racist - unless modified by anti-racism or anti-facism. You do know what the world "default" means, I take it?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
I know that now.
I'd be interested to hear what kinds of "shit" nino got and from who - and whether he thinks that reaction was specific to his race. But maybe a discussion for a different thread.
I got dogpiled. I don't remember how long ago it was but many people know my 'ethnicity' (which is more complicated than being simply a mix of 'black' and 'white') and was shocked that I could use the word "coconut" to describe someone like Derek Laud - who is another black Tory who, while many members of the party are clearly racist, remains a member of said party. Wtf is that about? The only reason David Laws didn't join the Tories (even though he is clearly closer to them in terms of economics) was because of their attitude towards gays. Why do Taylor and Laud think they can fare any better? Mind you, that cunt Alan Duncan has remained in the party in spite of their obvious homophobia.
southside
Banned
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Nope. He was the prospective parliamentary candidate in a seat where the sitting MP (a Tory) died, IIRC. He was shoehorned through the constituency selection committee by Conservative Central Office. The seat was lost to the Tories, because the local constituency didn't fall in behind Taylor and support him, but Taylor never actually held the seat.
past caring
The Cathars were right
Ah - it was on here?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Treacle Toes
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No I use the term 'default' not to suggest it is your 'basic setting' more that you failed to do what you needed to, and in this context spell out what your gripe is with LT instead of using a lazy, marginalising, characterisation for cheap laughs/shots. Justifying your use of the term lead to the conversation about expectations and subtext inherent in that kind/level of discourse.
Given your anti-racist/facist rep , yes I think so.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Sounds like a good book title (makes note).
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
I know that now.
I'd be interested to hear what kinds of "shit" nino got and from who - and whether he thinks that reaction was specific to his race. But maybe a discussion for a different thread.
A mix of the usual identity politics "as an Asian mono-pedal homosexual I reckon you're a racist, and my race and/or sexuality mean that my opinion counts double!" crowd, and trolling twats like dwyer, As I recall.
Treacle Toes
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For now yes..have other stuff to do.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
That is, however, what "default" means, i that context.
Treacle Toes
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http://www.thefreedictionary.com/default
I used it in this sense of the word because that's what I meant.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Ah, that's right, you're a Sweaty too, amongst other things, aren't you?
Self-hatred, obviously, which means he made the right choice with the Tory party, where self-hatred often manifests as flagellation, and bouts of auto-erotic asphyxiation.
The Conservatives have always had a minority of homosexuals standing as MPs. Something to do with boarding school and never emotionally maturing, I believe....
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Ah, that's right, you're a Sweaty too, amongst other things, aren't you?
Self-hatred, obviously, which means he made the right choice with the Tory party, where self-hatred often manifests as flagellation, and bouts of auto-erotic asphyxiation.
The Conservatives have always had a minority of homosexuals standing as MPs. Something to do with boarding school and never emotionally maturing, I believe....
Yeah, I'm also part gypo.
I think there's a research paper-in-the-making on black Tories and their psychology.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
In which case you should have said "defaulted" rather than "default", in the cause of good English usage, no?
past caring
The Cathars were right
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
You're misusing the term then and in a way that damages any wider points you're trying to make.
Leaving aside the question of whether that's what i actually did for now, i agree, it's perfectly acceptable and understandable that you have those expectations of me. It's the same logic i've used to justify my having expectations of Taylor. However, only a few posts ago you were arguing that having expectations of people 'stinks' and using this as the crux of your criticisms.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Yeah, I'm also part gypo.
Fucking Pikey-Scots Heinzers, coming over here, stealing our caravans, our cattle and our women!!!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
And that is one of the reasons that I keep an Oxford Concise near the 'puter - because most of the online dictionaries are Merkin, with all the subtle (and not so subtle) differences that implies.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
very surprising; wooden structures enabling seaside holidaymakers to walk further out to sea aren't usually capable of standing for parliament!
_angel_
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LOL! Looking at his pic, I realise it was him I told to F off in Harrods a couple of years ago when he walked into me and didn't say sorry, lol
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
didn't a local tory, called Griffiths IIRC, get caught saying "we don't want a nigger from Birmingham in this seat"? Now that is racist. What BA has said isn't; it's legit to question the ethics of a man who has allowed a party with a fundamentally racist pedigree to use his (black) skin colour as camouflage and a convenient get-out clause.
If anything, that makes Taylor the racist.
The very worse stone you could throw at Ba is he could have put it a tad better. fine - so who's a perfect poster, then?
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
That may well have been Nick Griffin's dad, Edgar Griffin.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
One activist was expelled for something like that yes, and a large chunk of the rest of them then boycotted Taylor's campaign. Funny thing is, he was probably a lot closer politically to the more crusty of them than they would be someone like Cameron. I well remember the local media in brum using him as their go-to-man whenever there was trouble in Handsworth or similar in the 80s/90s - often filmed in leafy solihull talking about the myth of urban deprivation or racist policing. I talked to the labopur election agent for Cheltenham a few years later and he reckons tory activists were sending him stuff to use against Taylor (i guess the lib-dems were recieving the same material as well) - shades of the Bermondsey/Tatchell case,
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