Refused as fuck
"ethnic pakistani tosser"
No.
Lord Taylor is guilty
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Oh and what are those then? Apart from thinking that anti-racists shouldn't be calling him a coconut or chalky?
Oh and this:
Refused as fuck
"ethnic pakistani tosser"
Are you done now?
binka
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wait until you find out what he really thinks of the lib dems. chilling.
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Oh so you don't intend to follow this statement up and answer my question?
Yeah, I am done. As I said before keep fighting the good fight.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Refused as fuck
"ethnic pakistani tosser"
You're not asking anything that hasn't already been answered.
I'm trying, but some upstart cunt has just knocked me off top spot in my fantasy league which i'm fairly gutted about. After all the bravado i gave last season about it being a transitory season with lots of youngsters in the team. ffs, now i look a hitler in a downfall scene.
I know.
I'm trying, but some upstart cunt has just knocked me off top spot in my fantasy league which i'm fairly gutted about. After all the bravado i gave last season about it being a transitory season with lots of youngsters in the team. ffs, now i look a hitler in a downfall scene.
wasnt at you in case of confusion
I know.
Lord Taylor stood for the Tories in a parliamentary seat, experienced a load of racism from his local Tory party, lost the seat and as compensation was awarded a peerage, becoming the first black Tory member of the House of Lords.
After that wee history lesson....
I reckon he allowed himself to be used for his ethnicity by the Tories to show how 'non-racist' they were after a media storm over racism in Cheltenham Tory party. He's not a stupid man (though obviously was over the expenses fiddling thing) so I would imagine he was smart enough to realise this but accepted the peerage anyway. Which all ties in with BA's original explanation.
Your turn. How do you see the Tory party's actions and his actions?
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A man whose political role and history in the Tory party (in terms of how the tories portrayed him, attempted to use him to portray the party in a particular light, how he colluded with being used in that way) was one that centred around his race - should not have his race referred to.
Wibble fucking wibble.
Wibble fucking wibble.
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For the hard of reading:
Both examples relate to him primarily by way of his skin colour/ethnicity and expectations of it. Both can fuck off.
Wibble fucking wibble indeed!.
Both examples relate to him primarily by way of his skin colour/ethnicity and expectations of it. Both can fuck off.
Wibble fucking wibble indeed!.
butchersapron has always mad me feel a little uncomfortable and now he's shown his true colours it all makes sense. a ban would be too good for him imo.
So utterly utterly pathetic.
So did you read #98 and #99? Your thoughts?
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You're fucking bonkers in the nut!
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Wow! Profound.
So, how do you see the Tory party's actions re John Taylor and his actions in response?
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Why on earth are you comparing Lord Taylor to Malcolm X, Ali, Mandela and Cuffey? Anyone would think you had expectations of him on account of him having the same skin colour.
Louis MacNeice
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That's not what he was comparing. He was comparing the notion of being able to talk about 'them, their impact and their legacy' without mentioning their 'race', with the idea of discussing Lord Taylor's life in the same way; obviously it is nonsense in both cases.
Louis MacNeice
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Someone else who can't be arsed to properly engage with what's being argued. Dick.
You'll have to excuse me finding the spectacle of two of the first three posts talking of 'Chalky' and 'Coconut' a bit 70s and entirely unnecessary, particularly when the level only elevates to posting up pictures of Malcolm X and Ali a few pages later. Christ, it's a little depressing frankly.
You keep it going keyboard warriors. You seem like needless dickheads to me
You keep it going keyboard warriors. You seem like needless dickheads to me
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Whereas you work at it?
Do one.
Do one.
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Yes, and I am saying that the subtext to drawing this comparason and trying to justify calling LT a coconut/chalky implies expectations 'exist' of him regardless of whether anyone wants to explore/discuss what those expectations actually are.
Well here we are then, some grunting 70s throwbacks flexing their board muscles and telling the ethnics not to take offence and to 'do one'.
You carry on with the jutifications. I'll continue to think that jumping in with chalky comments isn't exactly 'properly engaging' or adding anything of particular value. It's just lazy.
You carry on with the jutifications. I'll continue to think that jumping in with chalky comments isn't exactly 'properly engaging' or adding anything of particular value. It's just lazy.
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
TBH I thought the comments by BA and DC were racist, or 'slack' at best, but now I can see their point. Are you saying that there's no reason to comment on Lord Taylor's skin colour at all? I'd never heard of him before, but it sounds like he was a major fig-leaf for the Tories on the topic of racism and that's how people are responding to him.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
That's your subtext which you are trying to impose on BA's post. For him to accept it, is to accept that he is either a racist a liar or both; understandably he's not happy to accept these chracterisations.
Do you want all posters to ensure that all posts could not have racist or dishonest sub texts imposed on them; it sems a pretty tall order?
Or would you like the job of identifying which sub texts posts contain and subsequently demanding an apology from the poster?
Louis MacNeice
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One may, I suppose, call a scab a scab because one had expectations of them that have been disappointed. More often, however, I suspect that scabs get called scabs because they are scabs - i.e. because of their actions. But on those occasions when I've been on strike and have called workmates who crossed the picket line scabs, I had no expectation that they would do anything other than scab. Still called them scabs, though. Because they were.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
No, Im can see the basic point too. It's just not that insightful or half as smart a point as it's been made out to be. Is the best way to highlight the issue really to jump in with throwaway one liners about 'chalky' and 'coconut?'
Yes Taylor's race has been used in the past. But when I hear his name and this story I think Tory and good riddance, not of leaping in with a snide comment referring to Davidson's comic personas of the past, as if that's relevant or telling somehow thirty years down the line. It's a shitty, provocative level of discourse, not helped with the dismissive twaddle afterwards.
Yes Taylor's race has been used in the past. But when I hear his name and this story I think Tory and good riddance, not of leaping in with a snide comment referring to Davidson's comic personas of the past, as if that's relevant or telling somehow thirty years down the line. It's a shitty, provocative level of discourse, not helped with the dismissive twaddle afterwards.
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