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"ethnic pakistani tosser"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12275821
How are obvious liars like Dorries et al getting away with it?
Lord Taylor is guilty
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12275821
How are obvious liars like Dorries et al getting away with it?
Fedayn
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And how do you know said poster didn't? Or perhaps he did and was happy with what he wrote because he was making a specific point about this individual?!
Refused as fuck
"ethnic pakistani tosser"
You belittle yourself, no input from me is required.
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Because the posters in question didn't make 'specific' points. They posted stuff that directly alluded to this individual's ethnicity and when challenged, dug their heels in.
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In your opinion. Keep fighting the good fight yeah!
Fedayn
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He did make a specific point as regards Taylor being used by the Tory party in the same way Davidson used the character of 'Chalky' to 'prove' their anti-racist credentials.
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"ethnic pakistani tosser"
Unashamed tokenism. Tokenism Unashamed.
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Which makes it okay because? Chalky was Davidson's so called friend that was constantly being ridiculed for his way of thinking/characterised stupidity/culture/ethnicity. calling him that or a coconut implies Black people should only be x, y, z because they are really Black. Kind of limiting don't you think?
It's nothing to do with LT being a tory is it? It's nothing to do with class and priviledge is it? oh fuck yes it is.....
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"ethnic pakistani tosser"
Fedayn
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Because that was the point he was making as regards his role in the Tory party, the same as Davidosns character. Is what alright? That butchers used that reference or that's how the Tories treated Taylor and how he allowed himself to be treated? The former yes the latter no.
As for 'class and priviledge', yes definitely, after all no benefit thief/fraudster in any case i've dealt with ever had a judge tell the jury/other magistrates Taylor was undoubtedly a man of good character who had devoted a lot of time to helping others.... There's your 'class and priviledge'....
Treacle Toes
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What do you know about how he 'allowed' himself to be treated? Your suggestion implies you have an idea of how he 'should' have allowed himself to be treated.
Do you have clear ideas about what Black people in his position should be thinking/doing?
Fedayn
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See the question mark after the sentence, that's asking a question that is, as in did he?? I should have put 'perhaps' in that sentence just for clarification to avoid any ambiguity.
Surely this is different from Lord Archer because Archer's crime did not involve the HoL, whereas Taylor's does? IOW Archer brought himself into disrepute; Taylor's brought the HoL into disrepute, a much more serious matter.
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Yes, and I am talking to you right now. I have asked you some questions with regard your agreement that calling him chalky/coconut on this thread was okay.
What do you know about how he 'allowed' himself to be treated? Your suggestion implies you have an idea of how he 'should' have allowed himself to be treated.
Do you have clear ideas about what Black people in his position should be thinking/doing?
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"ethnic pakistani tosser"
Which is exactly the point. Taylor is used as an example of the insitution not being racist. That the privilege can be attained.
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Which makes it alright for anti-facists/racists to call him chalky/a coconut?
Both examples relate to him primarily by way of his skin colour/ethnicity and expectations of it. Both can fuck off.
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"ethnic pakistani tosser"
In the context with that reference, yeah. Don't see where "expectations" come into it.
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Expectations of how he should behave/think/vote/characterise himself and let others think about/characterise him/refer to/relate to him.
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"ethnic pakistani tosser"
Has fuck all to do with it.
Treacle Toes
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Rewind selector....
Yes it does. The bit highlighted implies expectations of how he should allow himself to be characterised/related to and how he should characterise/relate to himself.
The 'racists' and the 'anti-racists' holding all the cards.Both relating to him primarily with regard his ethnicity. Fuck what LT thinks and feels eh?
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"ethnic pakistani tosser"
How does that first quote support your line?
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butchersapron has always mad me feel a little uncomfortable and now he's shown his true colours it all makes sense. a ban would be too good for him imo.
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See edit for clarity.
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"ethnic pakistani tosser"
Still makes no sense. If anything the opposite.
Treacle Toes
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Sure? Read again...if not who cares eh?
Refused as fuck
"ethnic pakistani tosser"
No it doesn't.
I was talking about "class and priviledge". Haven't got a clue wtf you're on about.
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Refused as fuck
"ethnic pakistani tosser"
Your expectations of how he should allow himself to be characterised/related to and how he should characterise/relate to himself are scuppering your line, tbh.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Thanks for telling me what Butchers meant.
Is there anything else we should know?
Is there anything else we should know?
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