It's not my claim, it was reported.
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It's not my claim, it was reported.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Cheers for the correction. I haven't really looked at the CJA since the 1990s, so wasn't sure.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
No, it was your claim. You can't help yourself can you?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
1) Flares: They're lighting implements (very handy for dark, drizzly evenings), although they will burn people stupid enough to get close to the business end, what with using magnesium as a fuel source.
2) Paintbombs: Yes, they're offensive, but they're not even as affecting as getting hit by a paintball - lower velocity and greater surface area.
3): Snooker balls. Have any actually been presented as evidence, or televised by the Met like they do when they've seized caches of "weapons"? Nah - because they were talking out of their arses, like you.
These are the socialist revolution kids, part of the latest youth indoctrination -
http://www.socialistrevolution.org/
and here they are 51 secs into this video, charging in a line with sheilds, helmets hitting police with sticks. Note later in the video someone hitting police with a metal bar.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
This.
Cos you'd have thought that with the claimed "barrage" of snooker balls that were chucked at the OB, at least one would have been unambiguously depicted on telly or in a photo, wouldn't you?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Spion
I hear ya
good for them. The police barred their way for no good reason. The police could have just stayed at home and let people protest as is their right but they keep coming out and battering people and imprisoning them in kettles. No wonder these kids are getting wise and protecting themselves
Blagsta, I'm just saying some protestors are violent, as are some police. I think some of police's actions went to far, and so did some of the protestors actions. I defend peaceful protest, but not violent protest that is all.
Apart from the last time a student protest was left to it's own ends they ended up trashing the HQ of a democratic political party. What if it was the EDL, would you be happy for them to rampage through the streets at will?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You made a claim about snooker balls, bubeleh. Put up, or shut up.
Please post a link to any post on the politics fora where the protesters are portrayed as "all sweetness and light", or belt up, there's a good chap!
There's no evidence to support your contention about "groups", not from the regular police or the intelligence services.
What there are, of course, are people who may use violence, but there's nothing to show that "groups" of people bent on violence are attending the protests.
There is, however, plenty of evidence that shows people using physical direct action, both as an offensive measure after police violence, and as a defensive measure during police violence.
Already am, as are most of the other posters, bubeleh. You, on the other hand, you have to rail against "clique boards" because you're actually vaguely aware of how tissue-thin your claims are, aren't you?
Spion
I hear ya
I don't know the exact circumstances, and neither do you, but I do know that police tactics are not aimed at calming these situations - kettles boil and you reap what you sow
Let them, I say. They'd get battered and the police are no protection anyway. As here again they expend most of their efforts on kettling anti-EDL protestors.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
You're defending the violent status quo then.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
There's no evidence of a bloc of "socialist revolution" (or their armed wing, *chortle* members attending the protest, so I have to presume you just googled something like "student riots revolution" in order to make yourself look like less of a bullshitter.
Guess what?
You're either not particularly observant, or very partisan.
Watch your clip again, and this time don't focus on the central action, watch what's happening elsewhere too. It only took me two viewings to work out why the green helmets surged, and why a couple (and that's all it was) flailed against the police long-shields. let's see if you can spot why.
You mean the single fella who hits the bar against the shield wall twice?
It boils down to this: If you're supporting your claims of an "organised attempt to cause disorder" with this clip and material like it, then you either don't understand what "organised disorder" is, or you're incredibly dishonest.
klang
klang
Are you seriously comparing a fascist hate-org like the edl to a blossoming student movement resisting the most horrible developements in living memory??? well fuck you too!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
If you watch the video, you can see that the mass of protesters builds up to the left and to the top of the screen, which is a fairly good indicator that what the green helmets were up to was pushing the old bill back to ease the crush.
editor
hiraethified
I was standing in and amongst the police lines for a bit and while there was no shortage of objects flying over (mainly bits of stick and the odd green helmet), I saw no snooker balls or saw any on the floor.
audiotech
wav, aiff, mp3, ogg, flac
My favourite comment so far.
127. At 6:28pm on 14 Dec 2010, Garrie Mushet wrote:
....and this conveys very much my thoughts:
143. At 7:03pm on 14 Dec 2010, Dunc wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2010/12/interview_with_jody_mcintyre.html
127. At 6:28pm on 14 Dec 2010, Garrie Mushet wrote:
....and this conveys very much my thoughts:
143. At 7:03pm on 14 Dec 2010, Dunc wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2010/12/interview_with_jody_mcintyre.html
rollinder
Dont walk away in silence
There's an (self alleged) policeman over at moneysavingexpert claiming to have been policing the demo & to have seen and seized evidence that students were attacking police with snooker balls. (oh and bits of iron bars/railing too now)
-me on mse said:
another member said:
http://forums. moneysavingexpert.com/CWCDiver_selfproclaimed demo cop said:
showpost.php?p=39397348&postcount=251
(link borked because of board wars and that)
Any one else feel like challenging him?
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
got any evidence of sp members starting violence then?
thought not
i find the stuff you're saying fucking revolting tbh - most sp comrades and even most of the "hardcore" anarchists i know for all their posturing on boards like this
D) wouldn't hurt a fly beyond the minor bit of graffing etc unlike your scum party and what is one paint ball chucked at the police compared to destroying the lives of half of society the shit you're saying is fucking disgusting
and you know it
take a look in the mirror, if you want to slander people on here (among others) of whatever political persuasion as being in favour of violence and stirring it up, if it wasn't for the three lots of tories there wouldn't be any protests and thus no opporunity to get violent in the first place !!
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
It wouldn't actually be very surprising if there were snooker/pool balls deployed. Every SU and a lot of school/college common rooms have a pool table, and they usually have red and yellow balls instead of proper pool balls. I don't really understand why people are making such a big deal out of this one point. If you're trying to prove that everyone there was intent on an entirely peaceful protest ... well, they weren't, and thank fuck for that, quite frankly.
The issue is how much of the violence was caused by police tactics. The police have already stated that they have been surprised at the type of people they have arrested, and how obvious it is that they did not go along intending to cause serious disturbance. The very obvious question that arises from that is, how much of the unplanned disorder was due to pathetically bad policing, and how much was down to the extreme anger felt by those attending at their powerlessness to stop the criminal damage being done to their futures and the economy as a whole.
I hope quite a lot of it was anger at the situation, but there's no doubt that a lot of it was anger at the police tactics.
The issue is how much of the violence was caused by police tactics. The police have already stated that they have been surprised at the type of people they have arrested, and how obvious it is that they did not go along intending to cause serious disturbance. The very obvious question that arises from that is, how much of the unplanned disorder was due to pathetically bad policing, and how much was down to the extreme anger felt by those attending at their powerlessness to stop the criminal damage being done to their futures and the economy as a whole.
I hope quite a lot of it was anger at the situation, but there's no doubt that a lot of it was anger at the police tactics.
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