London Student protests - Wed 8th Dec+ Thurs 9th

[frogwoman]

No it wasn't, I simply confused the Socialist Party of Great Britian as being the Socialist Party. It's a joke there are so many different socialist parties in the UK. The fact that so called comrades can't even work together in the same party just shows everything that is wrong with Socialism and Communism in practice.

they're not the same party you clueless fuck

look how many tory parties there are in the uk ffs - three (or possibly four+ if you count ukip, veritas etc) why can't all the tories work together in one party? shows what problems there are with toryism in practice doesn't it

 

[butchersapron]

Because the reported use of snooker balls is a long standing ground-preparing move before attempting to stich someone up, quite important to realise that and to get it understood. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard this bollocks.

 

[dylans]

It wouldn't actually be very surprising if there were snooker/pool balls deployed. Every SU and a lot of school/college common rooms have a pool table, and they usually have red and yellow balls instead of proper pool balls. I don't really understand why people are making such a big deal out of this one point. If you're trying to prove that everyone there was intent on an entirely peaceful protest ... well, they weren't, and thank fuck for that, quite frankly.

The issue is how much of the violence was caused by police tactics. The police have already stated that they have been surprised at the type of people they have arrested, and how obvious it is that they did not go along intending to cause serious disturbance. The very obvious question that arises from that is, how much of the unplanned disorder was due to pathetically bad policing, and how much was down to the extreme anger felt by those attending at their powerlessness to stop the criminal damage being done to their futures and the economy as a whole.

I hope quite a lot of it was anger at the situation, but there's no doubt that a lot of it was anger at the police tactics.

Absolutely. We knew this was going to kick off and I'm glad it did. The actions of the police guaranteed it for sure but we should be clear. Violent demonstrations are a correct response to these attacks. I have yet to see a snooker ball being thrown either but I think its a bloody good idea for the next one.

 

[where to]

snooker balls are quite dear.

 

[ymu]

Because the reported use of snooker balls is a long standing ground-preparing move before attempting to stich someone up, quite important to realise that and to get it understood. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard this bollocks.

If it didn't happen, they can't stitch anyone up with it. If it did, they'll have to provide evidence. I can't see how anything would be any different with or without these claims being made.

 

[frogwoman]

Because the reported use of snooker balls is a long standing ground-preparing move before attempting to stich someone up, quite important to realise that and to get it understood. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard this bollocks.

agreed

ooooh snooker balls

the poor governmenet

(((((government))))

 

[moon23]

There's no evidence of a bloc of "socialist revolution" (or their armed wing, *chortle* members attending the protest, so I have to presume you just googled something like "student riots revolution" in order to make yourself look like less of a bullshitter.
Guess what?

No I’ve been in the pub with this group after a protest once, and spoke with them about whether violence was justified. I was saying it just undermines the respectability of your position.

You're either not particularly observant, or very partisan.
Watch your clip again, and this time don't focus on the central action, watch what's happening elsewhere too. It only took me two viewings to work out why the green helmets surged, and why a couple (and that's all it was) flailed against the police long-shields. let's see if you can spot why.

Nope I can't spot anything, there is other stuff going on in other clips, but nothing in this section. Of course there could be something that happened before that provoked them.

You mean the single fella who hits the bar against the shield wall twice?

It boils down to this: If you're supporting your claims of an "organised attempt to cause disorder" with this clip and material like it, then you either don't understand what "organised disorder" is, or you're incredibly dishonest.

The single fella section doesn't demostrate organised violence on it's own, what that section demostrates is that sometimes some protestors are violent.

All i'm saying is that some of the police actions went too far, e.g. charging with the horses, as did some of the protestors actions.

 

[DJ Squelch]

I heard christmas tree baubles full of paint where thrown, isn't it possibility that someone mistook a flying bauble for a snooker ball.

 

[frogwoman]

the police are armed and have the full weight of the state and the monopoloy of violence on their side, thus their violence is qualititivvely diferent from the protesters' violence not least in the consequecens that violence will have

this is basic stuff, you did politics, how do you not understand this

 

[frogwoman]

sorrry im pissed

 

[moon23]

got any evidence of sp members starting violence then?

thought not

i find the stuff you're saying fucking revolting tbh - most sp comrades and even most of the "hardcore" anarchists i know for all their posturing on boards like this D) wouldn't hurt a fly beyond the minor bit of graffing etc unlike your scum party and what is one paint ball chucked at the police compared to destroying the lives of half of society

the shit you're saying is fucking disgusting

and you know it

take a look in the mirror, if you want to slander people on here (among others) of whatever political persuasion as being in favour of violence and stirring it up, if it wasn't for the three lots of tories there wouldn't be any protests and thus no opporunity to get violent in the first place !!

I'm not saying most of the protestors cause violence, or that SP members are involved in stuff specifically. There are however some organised groups of protestors like the Revolution Students who plan to cause trouble. Mainly they just want to break police lines, and smash a bit of property. Nothing major really.

Then again the police violence was relatively minor and in proportion to what they faced.

I accept some police tactics inflame the situation.

 

[frogwoman]

who are the revolution students? ive never heard of tht group so how do i no your not making it up

i agree some people go to demos with the intention of fighting, then again sopme people join the police cos theyre attracted to violence

 

[moon23]

the police are armed and have the full weight of the state and the monopoloy of violence on their side, thus their violence is qualititivvely diferent from the protesters' violence not least in the consequecens that violence will have

this is basic stuff, you did politics, how do you not understand this

They don't have a monopoly on violence, we saw from the trashing of Millbank, barriers being thrown at the police, the attack on Charles, the smashing of shops etc that students are quite capable of this too.

The police are also subject to the law just like anyone else, if the legal observers at these protests were more concerned about methodological evidence collection then they could have had some good legal actions by now.

 

[frogwoman]

they have a monopoloy on LAWFUL violence though

 

[frogwoman]

if i beat someone to death what sentence will i get?

if a policeman beats someone to death what sentence will they get? (if they get sentenced at all)

come on this is basic stuff

 

[dennisr]

Yes I do, the Socialist Party.

pm me the details of your membership - meetings - people (names of..) those you met.
I'll check thias out for you and confirm - lets see if you are telling the truth.

Its a chance to prove your honesty. If you cannot you will - of course - be fucked.

 

[moon23]

who are the revolution students? ive never heard of tht group so how do i no your not making it up

i agree some people go to demos with the intention of fighting, then again sopme people join the police cos theyre attracted to violence

Here they are :
http://www.socialistrevolution.org/

Here is a video of them, you can always see them as they have quite recognisable flags on canes. Fairplay for them attending an anti-EDL protest.

 

[frogwoman]

I'm not saying most of the protestors cause violence, or that SP members are involved in stuff specifically. There are however some organised groups of protestors like the Revolution Students who plan to cause trouble. Mainly they just want to break police lines, and smash a bit of property. Nothing major really.

Then again the police violence was relatively minor and in proportion to what they faced.

I accept some police tactics inflame the situation.

its not about the sp
i jut find it fucking disgusting your attempts at slandering people on protests tbh and the fact you are just saying shit with no evidence, "I used to be a socialist so i know how they operate" whatever, like they are some sort of terrorist fucking group, its disgusting, they SP get criticised (with some grounds if your coming it from a certain position) for NOT suppoirting direction action enough, something i think that you know,
there are critiques to be made of the left, the sp, anarchists, etc, and i think you will find many people on these boards have made them quite well, but this is just basless noinsense that you know is not true and it comes across like your trying to jutsify treatment of protesters on the flimsiest of pretexts and i find it disgusting from someone who claims they know better

 

[DotCommunist]

you will - of course - be fucked.

prison rules?

 

[dennisr]

Here they are :

Here are a few fantisists showing off on the internet. It shows nothing whatsoever. I am guessing you would be in good company at least in that sence.

 

[frogwoman]

Most anarchists i know wouldn't hurt a fly, they might talk a good game, but how many people have died at the hands of anarchists over the years compared to how many at the hands of the police

 

[dennisr]

prison rules?

if we must. i'll bring the soap.

 

[moon23]

pm me the details of your membership - meetings - people (names of..) those you met.
I'll check thias out for you and confirm - lets see if you are telling the truth.

Its a chance to prove your honesty. If you cannot you will - of course - be fucked.

I'm not being funny, but i'm hardly very well liked on this board so i'd rather not give out my personal details. I used to be a member down in Brighton from around 1999-2001, I think the regional organiser was called Naomi, but I can't remember many other people's names from back then. I was just an a-level student. I did organise a road block and occupied my FE colleague though. I was quite the radical before realising the problems with Socialism.

 

[dennisr]

i agree some people go to demos with the intention of fighting, then again sopme people join the police cos theyre attracted to violence

indeed - they are the type of people who sign up for the very events we witnessed

 

[frogwoman]

sorry btw - i will edit, ive just come in from being on a picket line the whole day and then later at the pub, i will edit if its too ranty / angry

 

[moon23]

Most anarchists i know wouldn't hurt a fly, they might talk a good game, but how many people have died at the hands of anarchists over the years compared to how many at the hands of the police

That's true most are not violent people, unless they are attacking what they view as an instrument of the state. I'm not saying that all Socialist or Anarchist are violent at all. Just that there are groups within these large protests who identify with those ideologies who are intent on causing violence.

I agree the police on balance are far more violent.

 

[moon23]

sorry btw - i will edit, ive just come in from being on a picket line the whole day and then later at the pub, i will edit if its too ranty / angry

No problem it is fine, I am just off to bed now with a Whisky toddy as I have a stinking cold. G'night.

 

[dennisr]

I'm not being funny, but i'm hardly very well liked on this board so i'd rather not give out my personal details. I used to be a member down in Brighton from around 1999-2001, I think the regional organiser was called Naomi, but I can't remember many other people's names from back then. I was just an a-level student. I did organise a road block and occupied my FE colleague though. I was quite the radical before realising the problems with Socialism.

what do you honestly believe i'm gonna pop around and intimidate you because i disagree with you on internet boards!! - jesus wept. I guess you have to start believing some of the shite you type here. sad. and no there has never been an regional organiser called naomi in the south east. so a liar then?

 

[moon23]

Here are a few fantisists showing off on the internet. It shows nothing whatsoever. I am guessing you would be in good company at least in that sence.

They mainly are fantasists, but then you could argue that about lot's of people who genuinely think there will be a revolution ( or even Lib Dems like myself who hope Nick will become less Tory). I’m not just basing this off the web, but first hand experience of them too.

 

[moon23]

what do you honestly believe i'm gonna pop around and intimidate you because i disagree with you on internet boards!! - jesus wept. I guess you have to start believing some of the shite you type here. sad. and no there has never been an regional organiser called naomi in the south east. so a liar then?

No I don't think you are going to come and intimidate me. Do your records go back to that period? What would you need to find me on your system? She might have been a London organiser or a youth organiser. I'm not lying, i've mentioned I was a member ages ago on this board.