London Anarchist Bookfair 2022

[danny la rouge]

Maybe start a thread about how to fight the state without fighting the state. (Or whatever it is you are asking). Leave this thread to the bookfair.

 

[The39thStep]

Maybe start a thread about how to fight the state without fighting the state. (Or whatever it is you are asking). Leave this thread to the bookfair.

If the bookfair are going to run this thread themselves do we need to register?

 

[hitmouse]

But if the only kind of mass movement you envisage gets fucked over by capitalism every time, then capitalism will surely never end. Or at least not at the hands of anrachism-influenced revolution.

I mean, at the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious, capitalism has not ended. That means that any possible discussion of anti-capitalist strategies is going to be limited to discussing strategies that have not yet been proven to be successful on a large enough scale.

 

[The39thStep]

I mean, at the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious, capitalism has not ended. That means that any possible discussion of anti-capitalist strategies is going to be limited to discussing strategies that have not yet been proven to be successful on a large enough scale.

and there could be no better place for a dog to chase it's tail than here

 

[Pickman's model]

and there could be no better place for a dog to chase it's tail than heherea

A running dog perhaps

 

[Carl Steele]

I mean, at the risk of stating the bleedin' obvious, capitalism has not ended. That means that any possible discussion of anti-capitalist strategies is going to be limited to discussing strategies that have not yet been proven to be successful on a large enough scale.

But capitalism did end in large parts of the world. The Soviet Union, China, Vietnam etc. It may not have ended in the way we anticipated or wished it had ended but nevertheless capitalism was overthrown. And it didn't always result in better societies than the ones which preceded it, though that is debatable. And the overthrow of capitalism was not final, it made a comeback.

"Theory my friend is grey but green is the eternal tree of life." As I recall.

 

[belboid]

But capitalism did end in large parts of the world. The Soviet Union, China, Vietnam etc. It may not have ended in the way we anticipated or wished it had ended but nevertheless capitalism was overthrown. And it didn't always result in better societies than the ones which preceded it, though that is debatable. And the overthrow of capitalism was not final, it made a comeback.

"Theory my friend is grey but green is the eternal tree of life." As I recall.

Ooh, is it panto season already?

 

[Carl Steele]

Ooh, is it panto season already?

Serious answers only please. Are you going to talk about state capitalism?

 

[belboid]

Serious answers only please. Are you going to talk about state capitalism?

I’m perfectly serious. You may have noticed this is the Anarchist Bookfair thread. I’m pretty sure there are no anarchists-stalinists left here.

 

[Carl Steele]

I’m perfectly serious. You may have noticed this is the Anarchist Bookfair thread. I’m pretty sure there are no anarchists-stalinists left here.

I replied to a direct quote. Why do you object to what I said and not what was in the quote?

 

[belboid]

I replied to a direct quote. Why do you object to what I said and not what was in the quote?

Because it’s right and you’re wrong

 

[Carl Steele]

Because it’s right and you’re wrong

This is the answer of a four year-old. What am I wrong about?

 

[belboid]

This is the answer of a four year-old. What am I wrong about?

Are you really this thick? I quoted the paragraph you wrote because it is nonsense, one begging for the response ‘ohh no it didn’t’.

 

[Carl Steele]

Are you really this thick? I quoted the paragraph you wrote because it is nonsense, one begging for the response ‘ohh no it didn’t’.

Was capitalism overthrown in Russia and China and Vietnam and Cuba?

 

[belboid]

Start a different thread if you must

 

[Carl Steele]

Start a different thread if you must

I replied to a quote on this thread, maybe your complaint is misplaced.

 

[chilango]

Was capitalism overthrown in Russia and China and Vietnam and Cuba?

No.

 

[muscovyduck]

Ok. So I'm thinking of going to the anarchist bookfair this year. Is it any good?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Ok. So I'm thinking of going to the anarchist bookfair this year. Is it any good?

Depends what you're after. Talks are usually good, impromptu fighting sometimes improves it depending on the quality of beef.
There's usually pubs close by.

 

[Carl Steele]

impromptu fighting sometimes improves it depending on the quality of beef.

I think I see how this happens.

No.

Well, the leaders of the revolutions thought they had overthrown capitalism. And the governments of the so-called Western world agreed. Perhaps they were mistaken.

 

[chilango]

Ok. So I'm thinking of going to the anarchist bookfair this year. Is it any good?

I've enjoyed it when I've been.

 

[chilango]

Well, the leaders of the revolutions thought they had overthrown capitalism. And the governments of the so-called Western world agreed. Perhaps they were mistaken.

They're probably the wrong people whose opinions to seek on the matter.

 

[Rob Ray]

Well, the leaders of the revolutions thought they had overthrown capitalism. And the governments of the so-called Western world agreed. Perhaps they were mistaken.

Hi Carl, I'm getting in touch because something came across my desk Carl, it is perhaps the best investment opportunity I've seen in the last six months. It's a bridge Carl, a bridge in London ...

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, the leaders of the revolutions thought they had overthrown capitalism. And the governments of the so-called Western world agreed. Perhaps they were mistaken.

There have been so many times governments get things wrong I wouldn't rely on their pronouncements, which may in any case be made for dramatic effect

 

[kenny g]

I think I see how this happens.



Well, the leaders of the revolutions thought they had overthrown capitalism. And the governments of the so-called Western world agreed. Perhaps they were mistaken.

Always best to ask the pigs whether you are free...

 

[Carl Steele]

Hi Carl, I'm getting in touch because something came across my desk Carl, it is perhaps the best investment opportunity I've seen in the last six months. It's a bridge Carl, a bridge in London ...

Thank you, and on the other hand there is nothing so blinding as ideology ...

They're probably the wrong people whose opinions to seek on the matter.

I think it's probably a good idea to take some notice of what the people leading revolutions say. Castro in 1959 was quite clear that the objective of the revolution was not to overthrow capitalism but when his hoped for rapprochement with the USA didn't work out he changed course.

There have been so many times governments get things wrong I wouldn't rely on their pronouncements, which may in any case be made for dramatic effect

This is of course true but I do think capitalist governments know what capitalism is, and what it is not. Though to offer an olive branch I do think state capitalism is a reasonable description of modern China, by which I mean China of the last 20 years or so, and the West continues to talk about Communist China.

Always best to ask the pigs whether you are free...

Overthrowing capitalism does not guarantee freedom.

 

[kenny g]

Thank you, and on the other hand there is nothing so blinding as ideology ...



I think it's probably a good idea to take some notice of what the people leading revolutions say. Castro in 1959 was quite clear that the objective of the revolution was not to overthrow capitalism but when his hoped for rapprochement with the USA didn't work out he changed course.



This is of course true but I do think capitalist governments know what capitalism is, and what it is not. Though to offer an olive branch I do think state capitalism is a reasonable description of modern China, by which I mean China of the last 20 years or so, and the West continues to talk about Communist China.



Overthrowing capitalism does not guarantee freedom.

And your point is?

 

[chilango]

I'm deliberately keeping my answers short Carl Steele because I think a serious discussion of the topic deserves its own thread. But then, to be quite honest, I'm not sure I'm interested enough to take part in such a thread. Sorry!

 

[Carl Steele]

And your point is?

Exactly.

 

[Carl Steele]

I'm deliberately keeping my answers short @Carl Steele because I think a serious discussion of the topic deserves its own thread. But then, to be quite honest, I'm not sure I'm interested enough to take part in such a thread. Sorry!

That's fair enough.