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London Anarchist bookfair 2020

Warning: self indulgent middle aged (ex?) anarchist post....

The London Bookfair has been a massive thing for me in the last 30 years. I've rarely missed a year (and usually only if out of the country) and it was always an exciting, inspiring, and fun thing to go to. I started going when I was 17, and finding and meeting other anarchists (...anarchists sarge, thousands of 'em) and all their groups (and staunchly anti-organisational non-groups) was brilliant, and sparked and fueled many a friendship.

It was the big public event that people gravitated towards (from all over the world too, there was always loads of international comrades there); its history, being in London, being brilliantly organised and well advertised all helped make it this, as well as its (mostly) open-ness and broad scope of what was there. It sucked it many a burgeoning young anarchist as it was something they knew that was going on and they could relatively easily go to, especially people from small towns and villages where there was no visible anarchist presence.

So it was very important in my opinion, and the groups, people and workshops/talks there informed what the movement looked like to people, what anarchism is about, and so what groups and projects people then go on to be involved with. I think it had a big impact, even if that was sometimes not easy to see. It was always pretty broad brush in who and what attended, and I think that was also very important, reflective of what anarchism (and even anarchy) looks or might look like - for good and bad, for sensible and mad.

It seems to be heading towards a more narrow definition of what this type of politics is now, and despite the insistence of some (on here and elsewhere) that's it's still challenging, revolutionary, and potentially transformative, that's not the impression it gives out, both from the attitude of the organisers and the stalls and workshops there. It does seem to be reflective of the times and cultural and political shifts we've talked about at length on here for sure, and longer term to me this direction looks like it will increasingly relegate anarchism and anarchist attitudes and activity into just a weird sub-cultural offshoot of left wing progressive politics that's just more militant in its moralistic and judgemental positions, and more about personal stuff than anything wider, even if it does pay some kind of vague lip service to its history.
I agree with you. By contrast, I knew nothing about anarchism at 17 and have only developed a depth of interest and understanding over the last five to ten years. I won’t go into all the reasons why I think the political philosophy underlying anarchism is good, but the bit that has increasingly concerned me about it is how easily any loss or deemphasisation of sociality from anarchism has the potential to feed a spiral of atomised, individualised psychological beliefs that can easily cross over with its mirror image alt-right libertarianism. It seems to me that the prevailing political philosophy of the day — that of individuals as containing a personal, context-free and self-generated identity that is persistent and coherent across multiple contexts — has infected the groups that are running this book fair, prompting exactly this spiral of individuated, atomised approaches to politics. The “personal stuff” you mention, in other words.
 
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Yeah, some of that has played out already with some of the more extreme insurrectionary stuff, in some places it's clearly tipped into dodgy territory (the ITS stuff in Mexico for example). Think hitmouse posted some of that here or in another thread. It's also shown up as some people who've stumbled into the anti-lockdown stuff, here for example dialectical delinquents » Covid1984
 
we need to ask the opinion of another 17 year old ;)
And preferably also a 77-year-old who'd been going for 30 years at the time of LDC's first bookfair, round the sample out a bit.
I agree with you. By contrast, I knew nothing about anarchism at 17 and have only developed a depth of interesting and understanding over the last five to ten years. I won’t go into all the reasons why I think the political philosophy underlying anarchism is good, but the bit that has increasingly concerned me about it is how easily any loss or deemphasisation of sociality from anarchism has the potential to feed a spiral of atomised, individualised psychological beliefs that can easily cross over with its mirror image alt-right libertarianism. It seems to me that the prevailing political philosophy of the day — that of individuals as containing a personal, context-free and self-generated identity that is persistent and coherent across multiple contexts — has infected the groups that are running this book fair, prompting exactly this spiral of individuated, atomised approaches to politics. The “personal stuff” you mention, in other words.
I suppose that's one of the reasons why it's important to understand anarchism's origins in the 19th-century socialist movement. Obviously there's been a lot of developments since the time of the Old Beardies that should be taken into consideration, any functional attempt to achieve those ideals now will not look the same as it did then, but I think once you've got the connections to Haymarket, the Paris Commune and all the rest of it, it's a lot harder to lose or deemphasise that sociality. Although Stirnerites would probably disagree, I suppose.

Also interesting to think about this stuff in terms of historical context - like, there's a whole generation out there whose anarchism was shaped by the 84/85 miners' strike, or the Poll Tax rebellion. What would be the contemporary equivalent influences today, and how does that play out? And I suppose that does also help offset the temptation to idealise the past - sure I wasn't around for either the Poll Tax or AFA, but I've definitely heard about how everyone involved in both those movements always got along, and never spawned any incomprehensible, very long-running, bitter grudges. ;)
 
How was it? I hope it was interesting in all the ways that you'd hope and also uneventful in all the ways that you'd hope? The fact that we don't have ten pages on it already is probably a good sign.
Really good, got a decent amount of traffic throughout the day (especially considering the situation), lots of people saying how nice it was to catch-up and see people again. Good fun with the anarchist top trumps competition.

Only depressing part was walking through Bradford and seeing how many more places had shut since June. City centre is full of empty buildings (many of them really rather lovely buildings).


BTA in case anyone is not aware Manchester Bookfair is 6th November, at the People's History Museum.
 
Really good, got a decent amount of traffic throughout the day (especially considering the situation), lots of people saying how nice it was to catch-up and see people again. Good fun with the anarchist top trumps competition.

Only depressing part was walking through Bradford and seeing how many more places had shut since June. City centre is full of empty buildings (many of them really rather lovely buildings).


BTA in case anyone is not aware Manchester Bookfair is 6th November, at the People's History Museum.

Yeah Bradford has been a bit fucked for ages, but I went there the other day and was genuinely shocked how grim and run down it was.
 
Yeah Bradford has been a bit fucked for ages, but I went there the other day and was genuinely shocked how grim and run down it was.
Did they ever rebuild the shopping centre after the company than ‘acquired’ the old one demolished it and then went bust leaving a building site in the middle of the town for much of the late 90s?
 
I always remember the time as a 30 something white British bloke turning up in Bradford train station with two work colleagues, a sixty something Jamaican woman and a really grumpy fifty something Polish guy, and we got a taxi to a hotel on the edge of town and the taxi driver was like "so you here on holiday?" I was like yeah these are my parents and we're looking forward to exploring Bradford together.
 
Did they ever rebuild the shopping centre after the company than ‘acquired’ the old one demolished it and then went bust leaving a building site in the middle of the town for much of the late 90s?
Yes a new modern shopping centre, the Broadway, there now. Problem is that has just shifted the shops around.
 
I always remember the time as a 30 something white British bloke turning up in Bradford train station with two work colleagues, a sixty something Jamaican woman and a really grumpy fifty something Polish guy, and we got a taxi to a hotel on the edge of town and the taxi driver was like "so you here on holiday?" I was like yeah these are my parents and we're looking forward to exploring Bradford together.
I actually went on holiday to Bradford for a week in 2012- long story. But it was a good holiday. I have yet to meet anyone else who has done this…
 
Bradford Council have been insisting the city is on the brink of a tourism explosion ever since the The National Museum of Photography, Film & Television opened up in 1983.
tbf i went there as part of a holiday - first time ever in an Imax - saw Rolling Stones Live - Micks face was too big is my only memory
soon moved on up to the Dales after that
 
However, this spat does need cleared up because people keep smearing us as transphobes and it’s got to stop.

It's how the entire shitty debate over gender and sex has been conducted from the beginning of the trans campaign. If you're happy to throw the insult of 'bigot' or 'transphobe' at any one, including those with a long history in left wing liberationist sexual politics then you can't cry when its thrown at you.

Yes it's obviously bullshit in this case, yes it's been used for years now in exactly this way and yes you're just upset now because it's you that's getting it and not dishing it out. How long did you think it would take before it was used as a shitty political tool against you?

The idea that this debate can be shut down by shouting "transphobia" is so fucking dead now I can't believe anyone is still invested in it. Who gets to decide what is and isn't transphobic?
 
If you're happy to throw the insult of 'bigot' or 'transphobe' at any one, including those with a long history in left wing liberationist sexual politics then you can't cry when its thrown at you.

Yes it's obviously bullshit in this case, yes it's been used for years now in exactly this way and yes you're just upset now because it's you that's getting it and not dishing it out. How long did you think it would take before it was used as a shitty political tool against you?
I’m always ‘dishing it out’ am I? You’ll no doubt have many examples, then.
 
It's how the entire shitty debate over gender and sex has been conducted from the beginning of the trans campaign. If you're happy to throw the insult of 'bigot' or 'transphobe' at any one, including those with a long history in left wing liberationist sexual politics then you can't cry when its thrown at you.

Yes it's obviously bullshit in this case, yes it's been used for years now in exactly this way and yes you're just upset now because it's you that's getting it and not dishing it out. How long did you think it would take before it was used as a shitty political tool against you?

The idea that this debate can be shut down by shouting "transphobia" is so fucking dead now I can't believe anyone is still invested in it. Who gets to decide what is and isn't transphobic?
If anyone's a shitty political tool here it's you
 
its almost as if people who try to stand in the middle of the road will get hit by both sides
I don’t think it's justified to suggest (if that's what you are suggesting) that danny la rouge is trying to stand in the middle of the road, if by that you mean sitting on the fence or failing to argue a genuine and reasonable position.

But it's certainly true that there are dogmatists at both extremes of the issue who will accuse anyone who doesn't embrace their position of some shit or other.

co op has already proved themselves to be in this category, IMO, and you appear to be in danger of going the same way.
 
This comment is just as baffling.
Are you really that naive/deluded?
I don’t think it's justified to suggest (if that's what you are suggesting) that danny la rouge is trying to stand in the middle of the road, if by that you mean sitting on the fence or failing to argue a genuine and reasonable position.

But it's certainly true that there are dogmatists at both extremes of the issue who will accuse anyone who doesn't embrace their position of some shit or other.

co op has already proved themselves to be in this category, IMO, and you appear to be in danger of going the same way.
I am referring to the ACG rather than danny specifically, but the argument still holds.

It is easy to see where the accusation of being soft on terf's comes from - its from that letter Edinburgh AF signed post the last bookfair. Its been followed up by a weak as fuck statement on trans rights, which was then updated a bit to be improved, but still wholly acceptable to all but the most vicious terfs.

Just cos danny and the other ACGers are generally nice and sound people doesn't mean they get a pass for espousing lousy liberal politics.
 
You can make many different types of statement about the trans wars. However, one thing that makes no sense at all is to label the varied parts of it (from hard left to hard right) that reject the uncritical acceptance of trans identities (for whatever reason) as “liberal”. It’s the very opposite of liberal. Liberal means that you take the isolated individual as primary, and their opinion as sovereign regarding their position and role in the world. The only reasonable liberal stance is the uncritical acceptance that if a person says they are a woman, that means they are a woman.
 
belboid I’m deluded enough to need it pointed out to me where the statements are “weak as fuck” and acceptable to all but the “most vicious terfs”.

They’re both here:

 
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