London Anarchist bookfair 2020

[Rhyddical]

I'm not engaging on a point for point with you Athos, I'm certainly not going to "provide evidence" by calling people out of the various dog whistles , X is my comrade, trans= liberal etc etc stuff. I'm not here for a petty mud slinging match.

I personally feel that a fair whack of this thread is specifically focused on saying that the people trans people are calling transphobic, in fact arn't transphobic and in fact should be provided a platform at a trans friendly space.

I feel that undermines the safety and security of attendees.

Aside from our policy on having no tolerance for Transphobia do you have any other queries about Bookfair 2020?

(Danny, I was out the door and it didn't make sense // edited lol)

 

[Athos]

I'm not engauging on a point for point with you Athos, I'm certainly not going to "provide evidence"...

So I see.

It's a shame that those purported anarchists who'd presume to exercise power over other anarchists feel it's not incumbent on them to be accountable.

But hey ho. Good luck with YOUR event.

 

[smokedout]

Of course there's transphobes who don't consider themselves transphobic. But there's also people who don't consider themselves transphobes, who aren't transhobic!

As well as people who dont consider themselves transphobic, and probably arent really and who yet are still unwittingly pursuing a transphobic narrative.

But not at bookfair?

No I don't think so not this first time. I do think the debate needs to happen, but I don't think there is any chance of the bookfair re-establishing itself if it is preordained to be dominated by this conflict and I don't think it's fair on the organisers to expect them to facilitate that.

That's your lot by the way, I find your obsession with this and your aggresive pursuit of it a bit creepy and unpleasant so back on ignore I'm afraid.

 

[Rhyddical]

So I see.

It's a shame that those purported anarchists who'd presume to exercise power over other anarchists feel it's not incumbent on them to be accountable.

But hey ho. Good luck with YOUR event.

We're not exercising any power other Anarchists, what nonsense.

Saying no transphobia should not affect other Anarchists.
Saying please don't attend if you are transphobic isn't excerising power, even over transphobes lol.

There are 16 pages of accountability and reasoning for the safer spaces policy here alone.
Not sure how many times you want it repeating.

 

[Athos]

That's your lot by the way, I find your obsession with this and your aggresive pursuit of it a bit creepy and unpleasant so back on ignore I'm afraid.

Convenient.

 

[Athos]

We're not exercising any power other Anarchists, what nonsense.

Saying no transphobia should not affect other Anarchists.
Saying please don't attend if you are transphobic isn't excerising power, even over transphobes lol.

There are 16 pages of accountability and reasoning for the safer spaces policy here alone.
Not sure how many times you want it repeating.

It's a big event in the anarchist calendar, and one at which you're policing opinions which you're unable to demonstrate are incompatible with anarchism; you seem unable to recognise that there are anarchists who disagree with you, without being transphobic. That you fail to recognise that policing as an exercise of power is laughable in a purported anarchist.

You've not offered any justification; you've failed to engage in any meaningful discussion. Instead, you've repeated the same thing again and again (i.e. the lie that people here are trying to excuse/minimise transphobia), and failed to back it up when challenged.

 

[Fozzie Bear]

An update BOOKFAIR MEETING 10TH AUGUST - Bookfair 2020

Also looks like the groups up for being there list has been expanded:
Bookfair 2020 - Bookfair 2020 (Bottom of the page).

 

[Rhyddical]

"You've not offered any justification; you've failed to engage in any meaningful discussion. Instead, you've repeated the same thing again and again "

Maybe go page to page 3/4 and read the reams of text I've wrote addressing concerns and having meaningful conversation.

Let me ask you this tho...
The only people barred from entry will be those who we know due to being prominant as transphobic bigots, the Posie Parkers and Ben Shapiros etc Everyone else with GC concerns but enjoys Anarchist bookfairs, provided they respect the space is going to attend regardless. I have no idea what you perceive our door policy is, this aint Equilibrium and we cant tell whose a tankie, fash, homophobes with telepathic powers.

What Anarchist groups or individuals do you think should be given a stall or allowed to leaflet?

Who is it you feel is being cut out?

I truly don't understand who it is you feel should be there but is barred by a no transphobia policy....

You acknowledge transphobia exists, so I'm just wondering who these people/groups in the hinterland you are so worried about are?


I have chosen not to "back it up" becuase there thread is right here for anyone who cares and you are baiting me into a personal spat with others that I shant entertain, I feel much of it is problematic, you do not. That is fine.

As I've said several times, I recognise that some Anarchists disagree with me, I have quite pleasent situationally appropriate conversations with GC Feminists / Anarchists on a weekly matter. Bookfair 2020 isn't such a venue and we are simply asking people to respect that.

 

[Athos]

Maybe go page to page 3/4 and read the reams of text I've wrote addressing concerns and having meaningful conversation.

I read your long posts; they didn't really address the issue. You just kept pretending that people here were defending transphobia.

The only people barred from entry will be those who we know due to being prominant as transphobic bigots, the Posie Parkers and Ben Shapiros etc

Absent any attempt by you to define transhobia, that can very quickly become an arbitrary exercise of power.

Everyone else with GC concerns but enjoys Anarchist bookfairs, provided they respect the space is going to attend regardless.

By "respect the space" you mean only express those anarchist opinions of which you approve, on pain of expulsion.

What Anarchist groups or individuals do you think should be given a stall or allowed to leaflet? Who is it you feel is being cut out? I truly don't understand who it is you feel should be there but is barred by a no transphobia policy...

I've already made clear my position on which opinions should be allowed to be expressed by anarchists.

You acknowledge transphobia exists, so I'm just wondering who these people/groups in the hinterland you are so worried about are?

The people ("in the hinterland" lol) I'm worried about are anarchist women who are increasingly being bullied into not expressing an opinion.

I have chosen not to "back it up" becuase there thread is right here for anyone who cares and you are baiting me into a personal spat with others that I shant entertain, I feel much of it is problematic, you do not. That is fine.

You're entering into the "spat" already; the reason you're not backing it up is because many of your claims about what has been posted on this thread are demonstrably false.

As I've said several times, I recognise that some Anarchists disagree with me, I have quite pleasent situationally appropriate conversations with GC Feminists / Anarchists on a weekly matter. Bookfair 2020 isn't such a venue and we are simply asking people to respect that.

You're not just asking people, though, are you? The fact is that you'll enforce your vision of "situationally appropriateness" on other anarchists.


I get it: it's your (the new organisers') event, you're the boss, so you make the rules. That's your right, and it is what it is. But let's be clear what that model isn't - and that's the political successor (in any meaningful way) of the London Anarchist Bookfair.

 

[Rhyddical]

I have defined transphobia several times.

The differance here is you do not accept or realise the damage and threat transphobes present to the trans community.

So you accept certain forms of policing (IE no national anarchists, no anarchist capitalists, no homophobes, no ablesists, no tankies etc) but want to spit your dummy and argue minutia when it comes to transphobes.

You are demanding that the vunerable prove beyond all judgement the nature of their oppression while demanding space for their oppressors at their table.

You have not named a single organisation or person you think we should offer a platform too and keep going on with strawman arguements about comrades being silenced.

Don't be a bigot, don't get kicked out.
It's a simple message and it comes from the heart x

We arn't "the boss". The very first thing we have done is invited conversation and debate, we have expanded our collective with diverse comrades and allowed the nature of Bookfair 2020 to develop. You seem keen to paint us a certain way, unfortuantly the collective doesn't fit that picture and I truly hope you come to Bookfair 2020 as a comrade and see that. Even if we seem to be getting a little short with each other, which to be fair isn't your fault, elsewhere I am dealing with genuine full on bigots and no doubt some of my lack of chill is rubbing off here.

I've already apologised if I misread/misremembered bits of the early thread but regarding reducing the threat of transphobia I'd argue that you athos are doing it right now with your hypocritical attitudes as to when it's ok for Anarchists to say we don't want bigots in our spaces. You want space for people, but wont name them, you seem to want a platform for people who inr eality push a bigotry that quite literally kills our comrades and you are labelling those who want to provide a safer space "police" like some alt-righter and making up hyperbolic nonsence about us silencing women and I'm sure you are a better comrade than that.

 

[Athos]

I have defined transphobia several times.

The differance here is you do not accept or realise the damage and threat transphobes present to the trans community.

So you accept certain forms of policing (IE no national anarchists, no anarchist capitalists, no homophobes, no ablesists, no tankies etc) but want to spit your dummy and argue minutia when it comes to transphobes.

You are demanding that the vunerable prove beyond all judgement the nature of their oppression while demanding space for their oppressors at their table.

You have not named a single organisation or person you think we should offer a platform too and keep going on with strawman arguements about comrades being silenced.

Don't be a bigot, don't get kicked out.
It's a simple message and it comes from the heart x

We arn't "the boss". The very first thing we have done is invited conversation and debate, we have expanded our collective with diverse comrades and allowed the nature of Bookfair 2020 to develop. You seem keen to paint us a certain way, unfortuantly the collective doesn't fit that picture and I truly hope you come to Bookfair 2020 as a comrade and see that. Even if we seem to be getting a little short with each other, which to be fair isn't your fault, elsewhere I am dealing with genuine full on bigots and no doubt some of my lack of chill is rubbing off here.

I've already apologised if I misread/misremembered bits of the early thread but regarding reducing the threat of transphobia I'd argue that you athos are doing it right now with your hypocritical attitudes as to when it's ok for Anarchists to say we don't want bigots in our spaces. You want space for people, but wont name them, you seem to want a platform for people who inr eality push a bigotry that quite literally kills our comrades and you are labelling those who want to provide a safer space "police" like some alt-righter and making up hyperbolic nonsence about us silencing women and I'm sure you are a better comrade than that.

You've not defined transphobia at all.

I recognise the dangers of transphobia. But we don't don't agree what it is (because you can't really say). Also, I recognise the dangers to anarchism of authoritarianism.

I'm not spittng the dummy or arguing any minutiae. I disagree with you, that's all.

I'm not demanding trans people prove anything.
Nor am I demanding anything for their oppressors. I think it's possible to disagree with some things some trans people say without that amounting to oppression.

I'm not going to name comrades who have been made to feel silenced/unwelcome, sorry.

We continue to disagree about the nature of your control of the event. And the nature of my issues with it.

It's not anarchists saying who they want in their spaces; it's a small subset of anarchists deciding that for the wider anarchist community.

But, I'm sure your heart's in the right place, so I'll wish you good luck with your event (even if it doesn't sound like something that appeals to me), and leave it there, rather than go round and round in circles.

 

[Rhyddical]

Ok. fair enough,not to go round in circles but it's clear you'd rather a dictionary style definition from myself so to be clear for the rest of the thread.

Transphobia,is the range of predjudice toward trans and non binary people. These can be personal,institutional and political in nature.

Transphobic actions stretch from undermining of the community, reducing trans womens/mens respective equality and identity in society as women/men but generally revolves more around personal feelings. Common presentation of this include removing trans womens agency as women, labelling trans people rapists, peadophiles or sexual deviants. It can be an overt action of violence or a subtle social pressure,It can be persistant misgendering or outright lack of acknowledgement and transphobia is often obfuscated behind dog whistes and seemingly well meaning concerns. Further to this more common for non binary and agender people is the outright refusal to acknowledge their existance or to project some form of mental illness as the reasoning behind their non binary or trans status.

In respect to Anarchist organising, this definition shouldn't codified as a law or policy as that is inherantly a bit flawed but held in the "spirit" of the thing... We don't need paperwork and policy to know when someone is saying something from a position of predjudice, Technicalities and symantics are often what bigots hide behind and we need to be much more savvy than to allow for that.

Edit. What it isn't.
Comradely concern / disagreement, religious difficulty, lack of knowledge, not fancying someone, getting pronouns wrong, accidentally dead naming, not really "getting it" etc etc This things happen and can be dealt with in suitable manners and venues.

What is your definition of Transphobia? Genuinely interested.

Mind you.
"it's a small subset of anarchists deciding that for the wider anarchist community." // You mean every single network of Anarchists and Anarchistic organisation as well as every single bookfair collective in the UK?

If you can't name a single Anarchist organisation who we should give a stall too that we arn't, IDK how to help...

 

[Athos]

Ok. fair enough,not to go round in circles but it's clear you'd rather a dictionary style definition from myself so to be clear for the rest of the thread.

Transphobia,is the range of predjudice toward trans and non binary people. These can be personal,institutional and political in nature.

Transphobic actions stretch from undermining of the community, reducing trans womens/mens respective equality and identity in society as women/men but generally revolves more around personal feelings. Common presentation of this include removing trans womens agency as women, labelling trans people rapists, peadophiles or sexual deviants. It can be an overt action of violence or a subtle social pressure,It can be persistant misgendering or outright lack of acknowledgement and transphobia is often obfuscated behind dog whistes and seemingly well meaning concerns. Further to this more common for non binary and agender people is the outright refusal to acknowledge their existance or to project some form of mental illness as the reasoning behind their non binary or trans status.

In respect to Anarchist organising, this definition shouldn't codified as a law or policy as that is inherantly a bit flawed but held in the "spirit" of the thing... We don't need paperwork and policy to know when someone is saying something from a position of predjudice, Technicalities and symantics are often what bigots hide behind and we need to be much more savvy than to allow for that.

Edit. What it isn't.
Comradely concern / disagreement, religious difficulty, lack of knowledge, not fancying someone, getting pronouns wrong, accidentally dead naming, not really "getting it" etc etc This things happen and can be dealt with in suitable manners and venues.

What is your definition of Transphobia? Genuinely interested.

Mind you.
"it's a small subset of anarchists deciding that for the wider anarchist community." // You mean every single network of Anarchists and Anarchistic organisation as well as every single bookfair collective in the UK?

If you can't name a single Anarchist organisation who we should give a stall too that we arn't, IDK how to help...

... so I'll... leave it there, rather than go round and round in circles.

 

[sihhi]

or what happen to a trans woman who needs a refuge but can't access one because it is cis women only.

You shouldn't blame a women only refuge for not providing trans refuge, instead of demanding a properly funded social services.

do place trans people at heightened risk of social violence.

The argument about "the heightened risk of social violence argument" is used by second gen feminists aswell: since the rise of a certain strand of pro-trans 'anti-terf' activism has seen violence heaped on the head of the female librarian mentioned earlier, or this kind of behaviour

They can claim the other side's right to organise should be squeezed away.


Because Rhyddical, you are against developmental with xenophobes

as a platform for developmental with xenophobes, homophobes and working class capitalists.

and ask...

What can we do to make it better for you, and help empower new comrades? Would love to hear your throughts.

Have you considered rejecting speakers with mohawk and dreadlock hair like Montreal have done.

we will not be accepting applications from people wanting to present or table if we know them to be making culturally appropriative choices in how they dress or behave...
think seriously before deciding to show up dressed or behaving in ways that are culturally appropriative. If it’s more important to you to wear your hair or dress any way you want, even if you know that might be a misrepresentation of someone else’s culture, maybe you should stay home.

 

[Rhyddical]

" Have you considered rejecting speakers with mohawk and dreadlock hair like Montreal have done.

We have not and I doubt we will.
Montreal (and most of the Americas) have a differant context to Britain. It is one of overt ongoing occupation, systematic racism and cultural appropriation. There are also nuance to the British context in that along side culturally approriated dreads see a long history of matted hair in our own heritage and banner rulings such as this are (imo) harmful in events such as this as they are not workable. The better solutions here are educational and generally via osmosis. This doesn't meant that Rastafarian people don't have every right to take uppance with the white kid in a rastacap with a mock accent.

TBh if Bookfair 2020 was in Canada we probably would have such a policy.
Because context is critical.

Roasario-Sanchez took flack for organising with Women's Place, a notable and prominant transphobic organisation. She wasn't accosted due to xenophobia nor to my knowledge was her race or place of birth ever brought into things.

So why would you say that? (edit // they didn't my bad, misread)

It is interesting that you chose to omit that the person she is accusing of these and all many of heinous crimes was doxxed by transphobes and have been under constant abuse and harassment since.

Whether or not trans rights activists should accost their oppressors or sqeeze out the organisational capacity of those who promote transphobia under the guise of feminism isn't really for this thread tho is it. This isn't the "let's debate everything to do with trans politics" thread it's the Bookfair 2020 thread and Bookfair 2020 has very cleary stated it would not welcome groups such as Womens Place. Not only do they tought Bigotry they are not Anarchist nor Anarchist friendly.

 

[smokedout]

You shouldn't blame a women only refuge for not providing trans refuge, instead of demanding a properly funded social services.

Of course, more funding for the refuge sector should be an absolute priority and would take much of the sting out of the debate about this. But in the absence of that it doesn't solve the problem does it to just say trans people should get there own refuges and wash their hands with it, especially because it is the GC movement asking for change - most refuges have been trans inclusive for a long time. This is precisely the opposite of the spirit of mutual aid. In fact it is identity politics writ large, we've got our protections as a marginalised group so fuck yours, sort yourself out. And even if by some miracle we did win better funding if funding for a tran refuge was preceved to be taking away from a non trans refuge the animosity, with these kinds of attitudes would remain. There is also the factor that a trans only refuge would be woilly impractical and probaby lie empty most of the time, we are talking about a tiny number of people, is there a way within the current available resources a solution can be found that ensures everyones safety and is supported by both refuge residents and workers whether cis or trans. I suspect there is, I think this is exacty the kind of thing anarchism could be good at if some of the vitriol and refusal to give an inch on either side was dropped.

The argument about "the heightened risk of social violence argument" is used by second gen feminists aswell: since the rise of a certain strand of pro-trans 'anti-terf' activism has seen violence heaped on the head of the female librarian mentioned earlier, or this kind of behaviour

Gender Critical feminists are not being beaten up in the street for being gender critical. I have criticised the tactics used, repeatedly on several threads, however that doesn't excuse and negate people organising meetings which are used to spread damaging conspiracy theories and half baked pseudo-scientific theories with the intent of fostering anti trans sentiment in society. That is a shit thing to do and it concerns me that whilst lots of people mumble oh yes, posie parker, transphobia thats bad, very few seem to actually criticise the meetings her and others have addressed whilst remaining outraged that trans people have protested against what they themselves reluctantly admit is transphobia.

 

[sihhi]

if some of the vitriol and refusal to give an inch on either side was dropped.

I quite agree

Gender Critical feminists are not being beaten up in the street for being gender critical.

The problem is that to them they are receiving violence and they are not doing any beating up in the street.

At the moment things seem to heading for exclusion and division.

 

[smokedout]

Just to add on refuges from an anarchist point of view surely whilst recognising that fighting for more funding for refuges run by charities is currently vital there are other class based solutions to this problem that may mean its not the victim of domestic violence who feels the need to go into hiding in a different city but the perpetrator. There could be a lot of value in class struggle anarchism studying these issues, which often affect our class, beyond just trying to clear up an internal conflict. And there is clear pragmatic benefit in uniting in the fight against the defunding of VAWG services. Perhaps by thinking about radical ways of addressing domestic violence in our communities and joining those struggles to save what limited provisions exist then solutions may present themselves and solidarity re-appear, and the theory and way forward might emerge from the practice.

 

[smokedout]

if some of the vitriol and refusal to give an inch on either side was dropped.

I quite agree

Gender Critical feminists are not being beaten up in the street for being gender critical.

The problem is that to them they are receiving violence and they are not doing any beating up in the street.

At the moment things seem to heading for exclusion and division.

There are allegations of all kinds of things from both sides. There have been abuses on all sides. Both sides need to own that and then a line in the sand can be drawn. And it may be that people who think trans ideology is some big conspiracy theory being pushed by Soros and other rich men to some devious secret end cannot be a part of that process, and that people who think someone deserves a drinnk throwing in their face for that can;t be part of that process either, and luckily probably neither of them want to be. But I think there are enough cis women, non binary folk and trans people in the movement who are perhaps ready for that process so slowly begin. I fucking hope so anyway.

 

[sihhi]

Rhyddical

We have not and I doubt we will.
Montreal (and most of the Americas) have a differant context to Britain. It is one of overt ongoing occupation, systematic racism and cultural appropriation. There are also nuance to the British context in that along side culturally approriated dreads see a long history of matted hair in our own heritage and banner rulings such as this are (imo) harmful in events such as this as they are not workable. The better solutions here are educational and generally via osmosis.

This is exactly the point worth considering why not trans issues be conducted via osmosis, education, open debate instead of saying 'gender critical feminism' is beyond the pale.

TBh if Bookfair 2020 was in Canada we probably would have such a policy.
Because context is critical.

As an aside it appears some Canadians are critical of Montreal's Bookfair policy, sample comment from a forum discussing it:
What we are debating is rich college kids excluding us from events. Punks have carried anarchists for decades long before all these rich college kids showed up. We are a sub culture of working class people, and run deep globally. Banning mohawks and dreadlocks is a shot over the bow to punks. It feels like rich campus snobs turning up their nose to people they think are undesirable.
Huasipungo, Los Crudos, Kontra Attaque, Emperismo, Subsistencia? These are all racist bands? Crazy.

Roasario-Sanchez took flack for organising with Women's Place, a notable and prominant transphobic organisation. She wasn't accosted due to xenophobia nor to my knowledge was her race or place of birth ever brought into things.

So why would you say that?

I didn't say that.

It is interesting that you chose to omit that the person she is accusing of these and all many of heinous crimes was doxxed by transphobes and have been under constant abuse and harassment since.

It appears both sides seem to fighting one another with ugly physical tactics (let alone the ugly insinuations)

 

[sihhi]

There are allegations of all kinds of things from both sides. There have been abuses on all sides. Both sides need to own that and then a line in the sand can be drawn. And it may be that people who think trans ideology is some big conspiracy theory being pushed by Soros and other rich men to some devious secret end cannot be a part of that process, and that people who think someone deserves a drinnk throwing in their face for that can;t be part of that process either, and luckily probably neither of them want to be. But I think there are enough cis women, non binary folk and trans people in the movement who are perhaps ready for that process so slowly begin. I fucking hope so anyway.

Open debate surely has to be the precondition for any such line in the sand.

When Rhyddical explains:

Transphobia has no space in our movement, it's not to be debated, tolerated or given an ear.

then did not define it, there's something not ringing true. That's it from me, I have no further ideas.

 

[Rhyddical]

"This is exactly the point worth considering why not trans issues be conducted via osmosis, education, open debate instead of saying 'gender critical feminism' is beyond the pale."

Because the transphobia and bigotry that is often lying behind "GC Feminism" is beyond the pale.

Still like I asked Athos, please suggest a Anarchist GC Feminist or organisation you think isn't transphobic and should have a stall, talk or workshop. Happy to hear suggestions.

"then did not define it"

We should not need to restate our definitions of bigotry every time a new aspect of oppression rears it's head. Neither should we have to astrix every conversation with an appendix or start it like it's a year nine essay. Transphobia is the blah blah.

We don't talk about xenophobia this way, why do we allow it about transphobia if not top normalise the people that an oppressed minority is telling you are oppressing them.

I have also defined it in numerous fashions in the thread.



Am I supposed to be shocked and horrified that someone disagrees with something in on the internet in canada?
Are you trying to equate cultural appropiration with outright bigotry or something... I don't really get it.
Clearly somethings are worth a debate, otherthings are not.

I have zero knowledge about the Bookfair crew in Montreal or their reasonings.
Bookfair 2020 is a collective of working class anarchists who are hold an event that is providing a safer space for people who suffer various aspects of bigotry.

You want to book a session on dreadlocks feel free, that would be a very interesting debate.
You want to book a session that says trans women are actually rapists and men trying to steal womanhood and you can fuck off.

It's not hard.

(you didn't equate the bristol situation with xenophobia, sorry...the formatting was confusing)

 

[Rhyddical]

Anytime we fancy talking about what kind of workshops were working on or events that'd be cool.

Hope we don't spend the next 14 months asking why the people who arn't Anarchists who forward a society that is abusive to Anarchists comrades arn't welcome at the Anarchist bookfair, or the Anarchist repeating that the Anarchists who do have concerns but being Anarchists can respect the space and the safety of others are welcome to the Anarchist Bookfair despite rumours of our telepathic police checking their minds for wrong think at the door.... Well... It might get old.

I mean come on comrades... is the no bigotry policy really the only aspect of interest to what should be one of the biggest events on the Anarchist calander in the UK? Have we lost so much imagination and revolutionary spirit that we'd rather spent 16 pages on this BS than talk about how we can do some awesome shit? These things are more than market places for books, they are the market place for dangerous ideas and our ultimate networking social. We should be cooking up fringe vents, revolutionary actions and ideas about engaging our working class breathren.

Can we not even pretend to step out of this unseemly debate over just how much tranphobia is ok or not?

I believe in you.
you are better than this and tho some of you might be long in the tooth, I know for a fact that some of you have lead the fucking way for the past forty years. You havn't sat pissing in the wind on a single issue, you've steamed ahead and made shit happen.

DO THAT.

 

[Nigel]

Interesting that Freedom Press have taken side on this issue !
Sister not Cister: a fight to be safe

 

[Red Sky]

Interesting that Freedom Press have taken side on this issue !
Sister not Cister: a fight to be safe

It might be interesting but it's not surprising. This has been their editorial line for a while. Very much new anarchist.

 

[Rhyddical]

Very much new anarchist.

New Anarchist? forgive me, what does that mean?
What's an Old Anarchist?

 

[danny la rouge]

What's an Old Anarchist?

We prefer senior.

 

[Red Sky]

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[Red Sky]

New Anarchist? forgive me, what does that mean?
What's an Old Anarchist?

This obsession with the trans/TERF thing, the Tumblrista politics, all that good stuff.

All introduced relatively recently.

 

[Athos]

What's an Old Anarchist?

An anarchist.