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jakethesnake said:
Iain Dunked In Shit reckons he could live on £53 a week... breath-taking cuntishness... the following is a c&p from the Guardian's rerader's comments...


Ian Duncan Smith is a man who has spent most of his adult life sucking on the public teat and sponging off his wife's family.
He has a dim view of spongers and has promised to cut another £10billion off the state’s handout bill. Obviously, the people who take handouts they don’t deserve should be the first to take a cut.
So let’s start by talking about someone who lives off the state and has little experience of the world of work you and I know. He is 58 years old and has suckled upon the publicly-funded teat for most of his life.
He’s signed on the dole. He’s had four children and received child benefit for all of them. He has put them each through private school, too.
His wife hasn’t worked since they married, except for 15 months in which he got her a job paid by the taxpayer.
He and his colleagues eat and drink food subsidised by the tax payer in a palace we pay for. He is driven around in a car he does not own and has not paid for - we did.
And when he is too old to ‘work’ any more he will receive a better pension than most of the rest of us - which again we paid for.
He started out at the age of 21 with six years of taxpayer-funded military service, during which he acted as bag-carrier to a Major-General. Then in 1981, aged 27, he left the Army and signed on the dole for several months.
He then began a period of ordinary work based upon the skills he had gained at the taxpayer’s expense, and worked in sales for arms dealer GEC-Marconi.
He then moved on to a property firm, where he was made redundant after six months, and then sold gun-related magazines for Jane’s Information Group.
After 11 years of this not too glittering a career he succeeded in once again boarding the publicly-funded gravy train in 1992.
In the intervening 20 years he has been paid by the taxpayer every year more money than most of the rest of us manage to earn. He has managed to boost it up to more than six figures for a few years here and there by being more pompous than the others in his position.
In 2001 he helped his unemployed wife to have a suckle, arranging for her to be paid £15,000 a year to be his diary secretary. (The Newsnight TV programme pulled a story that seemingly alleged she didnt actually do anything).
These days he is given the grand total of near £150,000 a year from the taxpayer.
He lives for free in a £2million Tudor farmhouse on his father-in-law’s ancestral estate in Buckinghamshire.
He has three acres of land, a tennis court, swimming pool and some orchards, which is not bad for a life paid for by the state.
‘Who is this parasite?’ you might cry. ‘Tell us his name, let the authorities know his address. Let’s get this guzzler out of the cushy life and show him what life is like for the rest of us,earning £7 an hour with a rise once every eight years and a miserly pension if we're lucky.’
His name is Iain Duncan Smith, and his address is: Palace of Westminster, LondonSW1A 0AA.
He is disgusting and a far far bigger leech on your money than the worst dole scrounger you can think of and twice as pointless.
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Just to add to your C & P, Jake, that this guy did six years in the Scots Guards, a period of time in which he only managed to get promoted from a 2nd to a 1st lieutenant. Most competent junior officers make captain in 3 to 4 years. If you're still a looey after 6, it's pretty much a mark of a distinct lack of ability. This is the calibre of the man who's looking down on millions of people - someone who couldn't cut it even in a profession where the "officer class" have to be of Buster Keatonesque proportions of incompetence to not "get on".
 
toggle said:
I know you're worried and I know why. But i also think you remind me a great deal of a freind of mine who got herself in a tizz on a regular basis because she kept tying herself in knots of 'what if's.' You've not posted in a few weeks, but the last thing i recall you posting then was some significant steps forwards. With luck, and the help that people here and elsewhere can give you, you will get the esa award. if you don't, then have the fight for it. don't have the fight every day in your head, cause that will fuck you up.
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Yes, a few years ago the MH team suggested distraction, when I was checking my circumstances for DLA, but I was in such intense wd, that I could not distract at all.

Nowadays, I use distraction all the time, my distraction mainly consists of watching vids, or if not other forms of it are reading stuff unrelated.
I also use the "The worry tree" and "if in doubt breathe out" tools from my CBT course as I find these are useful, oh, and the stress beaker one too.
I couldn't use these back then. Having said that, even though i use these tools, the feeling is still there in the pit of my stomach and in my heart. The tools are more a 'here and now' and are useful for that, but the remaining feeling makes me feel bad from time to time.
I even vomited the other week cos of it.
Using the worry tree, the mh team rang me cos of a suicide related thing I said to victim support. VS has to report this as policy.
While on the phone I told them that my old care co-ordinator had missed my destructive rages off my discharge letter, and while these rages are a big problem, I could not prove it to the DWP. I also told them I was now engaging in groups much more, now, when not feeling agoraphobic.
The mental health team agreed to update my letter to show I still had mh problems and was now engaging, but the letter never did come, so I chased it up last week with another letter.

On a different note, I read somewhere online that some Tory was telling people to stop mentioning suicide when the subject of cuts was brought up, as it was ghoulish, but I cannot remember where I found it.
It may be ghoulish, but it's happening, it's there for all to see, and I really pity the thousands of people who have already been turfed out of their homes, or facing eviction/repopsession, all because of some changes the government has made.
 
toggle said:
I know you're worried and I know why. But i also think you remind me a great deal of a freind of mine who got herself in a tizz on a regular basis because she kept tying herself in knots of 'what if's.' You've not posted in a few weeks, but the last thing i recall you posting then was some significant steps forwards. With luck, and the help that people here and elsewhere can give you, you will get the esa award. if you don't, then have the fight for it. don't have the fight every day in your head, cause that will fuck you up.
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This, exactly.
 
panpete said:
Yes, a few years ago the MH team suggested distraction, when I was checking my circumstances for DLA, but I was in such intense wd, that I could not distract at all.

Nowadays, I use distraction all the time, my distraction mainly consists of watching vids, or if not other forms of it are reading stuff unrelated.
I also use the "The worry tree" and "if in doubt breathe out" tools from my CBT course as I find these are useful, oh, and the stress beaker one too.
I couldn't use these back then. Having said that, even though i use these tools, the feeling is still there in the pit of my stomach and in my heart. The tools are more a 'here and now' and are useful for that, but the remaining feeling makes me feel bad from time to time.
I even vomited the other week cos of it.
Using the worry tree, the mh team rang me cos of a suicide related thing I said to victim support. VS has to report this as policy.
While on the phone I told them that my old care co-ordinator had missed my destructive rages off my discharge letter, and while these rages are a big problem, I could not prove it to the DWP. I also told them I was now engaging in groups much more, now, when not feeling agoraphobic.
The mental health team agreed to update my letter to show I still had mh problems and was now engaging, but the letter never did come, so I chased it up last week with another letter.

On a different note, I read somewhere online that some Tory was telling people to stop mentioning suicide when the subject of cuts was brought up, as it was ghoulish, but I cannot remember where I found it.
It may be ghoulish, but it's happening, it's there for all to see, and I really pity the thousands of people who have already been turfed out of their homes, or facing eviction/repopsession, all because of some changes the government has made.
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you're doing good pete.

and i know it's shit, we all know it's shit, but you need to help yourself before you can afford to worry about the rest of the world.
 
ViolentPanda said:
It was fairly obvious to anyone casting an eye over what were then policy proposals that the net result would be some suicides through stress that otherwise wouldn't have happened.
One need only have looked to the effects of new Labour's "Benefits Integrity Project" to know precisely what would happen. The fact is that sick and disabled people aren't as vocal a constituency as old folk, so the govt can shit on us with relative impunity.
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Dark, f*cking dark, is all I can say on that.
 
ViolentPanda said:
You're missing the point.
Finding you fit for work isn't about forcing you into a job where you'd be a "safety risk", it's about minimising the amount of financial support the state gives you. It's about chucking hundreds of thousands of people off of Incapacity Benefit/ESA, and putting them on JSA, just as that's the imperative behind the transition from DLA to PIP.
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That's dark as well.
I actually said a few years ago to someone, "It's not about getting people into work, it's about getting them off benefits" and I was called something like paranoid.
It seems that a lot of the paranoid stuff i said a few years ago, is coming true and that is just freaky.
 
jakethesnake said:
Iain Dunked In Shit reckons he could live on £53 a week... breath-taking cuntishness... the following is a c&p from the Guardian's rerader's comments...


Ian Duncan Smith is a man who has spent most of his adult life sucking on the public teat and sponging off his wife's family.
He has a dim view of spongers and has promised to cut another £10billion off the state’s handout bill. Obviously, the people who take handouts they don’t deserve should be the first to take a cut.
So let’s start by talking about someone who lives off the state and has little experience of the world of work you and I know. He is 58 years old and has suckled upon the publicly-funded teat for most of his life.
He’s signed on the dole. He’s had four children and received child benefit for all of them. He has put them each through private school, too.
His wife hasn’t worked since they married, except for 15 months in which he got her a job paid by the taxpayer.
He and his colleagues eat and drink food subsidised by the tax payer in a palace we pay for. He is driven around in a car he does not own and has not paid for - we did.
And when he is too old to ‘work’ any more he will receive a better pension than most of the rest of us - which again we paid for.
He started out at the age of 21 with six years of taxpayer-funded military service, during which he acted as bag-carrier to a Major-General. Then in 1981, aged 27, he left the Army and signed on the dole for several months.
He then began a period of ordinary work based upon the skills he had gained at the taxpayer’s expense, and worked in sales for arms dealer GEC-Marconi.
He then moved on to a property firm, where he was made redundant after six months, and then sold gun-related magazines for Jane’s Information Group.
After 11 years of this not too glittering a career he succeeded in once again boarding the publicly-funded gravy train in 1992.
In the intervening 20 years he has been paid by the taxpayer every year more money than most of the rest of us manage to earn. He has managed to boost it up to more than six figures for a few years here and there by being more pompous than the others in his position.
In 2001 he helped his unemployed wife to have a suckle, arranging for her to be paid £15,000 a year to be his diary secretary. (The Newsnight TV programme pulled a story that seemingly alleged she didnt actually do anything).
These days he is given the grand total of near £150,000 a year from the taxpayer.
He lives for free in a £2million Tudor farmhouse on his father-in-law’s ancestral estate in Buckinghamshire.
He has three acres of land, a tennis court, swimming pool and some orchards, which is not bad for a life paid for by the state.
‘Who is this parasite?’ you might cry. ‘Tell us his name, let the authorities know his address. Let’s get this guzzler out of the cushy life and show him what life is like for the rest of us,earning £7 an hour with a rise once every eight years and a miserly pension if we're lucky.’
His name is Iain Duncan Smith, and his address is: Palace of Westminster, LondonSW1A 0AA.
He is disgusting and a far far bigger leech on your money than the worst dole scrounger you can think of and twice as pointless.
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Let IDS put his money where his mouth is and give it an honest try.
Even if he failed, he would have tried it, and that would have earnt him some respect, but I doubt whether IDS could do without his 'home comforts' and luxuries.
 
panpete said:
That's dark as well.
I actually said a few years ago to someone, "It's not about getting people into work, it's about getting them off benefits" and I was called something like paranoid.
It seems that a lot of the paranoid stuff i said a few years ago, is coming true and that is just freaky.
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The Benefits Integrity Project was launched in 1998, so it's not as if we haven't had fair warning of what these neoliberal fucks were up to.
 
ViolentPanda said:
Just to add to your C & P, Jake, that this guy did six years in the Scots Guards, a period of time in which he only managed to get promoted from a 2nd to a 1st lieutenant. Most competent junior officers make captain in 3 to 4 years. If you're still a looey after 6, it's pretty much a mark of a distinct lack of ability. This is the calibre of the man who's looking down on millions of people - someone who couldn't cut it even in a profession where the "officer class" have to be of Buster Keatonesque proportions of incompetence to not "get on".
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Mr Duncan Smith is a corporate psychopath.
Just like loads of others, but he is the JosefMengele (sp) of the tories.
 
toggle said:
you're doing good pete.

and i know it's shit, we all know it's shit, but you need to help yourself before you can afford to worry about the rest of the world.
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Am a bit concerned, cos i had an 'explosion' a few weeks ago, which involved headbutting a wall and making it bleed loads for ages, and broken glass. I informed all the relevant people, doc, etc
That feeling involves fear of me trying to help my own recovery as described, only to have it swiped away by these twats. I don't worry about others, but being surrounded by people (online and off) who are having bad things happen to them kinda makes it hard. I do try not to dwell on these thoughts, but I do also feel ambushed unawares by them alot of the time.
I guess it's good to share on here.
I'm just off to give some baccy and half a loaf of bread to a friend who has been refused money (long story) and left to starve, literally, after an in-vain visit to CAB, so I will catch you guys later.
Thanks for your ears btw, sorry to hijack thread.
The other tory thread made me feel creative as it asked for new tory policy ideas and I wrote quite a few down.
 
ViolentPanda said:
It was fairly obvious to anyone casting an eye over what were then policy proposals that the net result would be some suicides through stress that otherwise wouldn't have happened.
One need only have looked to the effects of new Labour's "Benefits Integrity Project" to know precisely what would happen. The fact is that sick and disabled people aren't as vocal a constituency as old folk, so the govt can shit on us with relative impunity.
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Starting to get there though, I suspect Spartacus and other will have plans for the general election, etc..
 
Minnie_the_Minx said:
Over 32,000 now. That's gotta be one of the fastest moving petitions I've ever seen, and sadly, totally pointless, because he ain't gonna do it, but at least he'll get an idea how many people *love* him :D
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judging from the 'ratbag' incident, he is very very thin skinned, he is in for a shock now that light is finally being shown on the machinations, brutality of the welfare reforms.

btw, could we all leave this particular thread for victims, etc, post on campaign thread would be best..
 
treelover said:
judging from the 'ratbag' incident, he is very very thin skinned, he is in for a shock now that light is finally being shown on the machinations, brutality of the welfare reforms.

btw, could we all leave this particular thread for victims, etc, post on campaign thread would be best..
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getting confused with so many threads, sorry :oops:
 
Welfare reform has claimed another.

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dad-two-killed-himself-because-1844633#ixzz2R3wnZWlS
 
"Government figures reveal that 1,300 people have died after being told they should start preparing to go back to work.​
Labour MP Michael Meacher told Parliament that Atos was paid £110million a year and a further £60million of public money was going on appeals.​
And an Atos executive apologised last week to long term sick people incorrectly labelled fit for work. A third of its decisions have been overturned."​
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This is fucking obscene.​
There's a cold hand around my heart every time a new post appears on this thread.....:(:mad:​
 
I just found out that they're piloting a new WCA which is supposed to be more fairer for people with mental health problems, and people with fluctuating health conditions.
The problem is, it's not being done till next year, so, they can fuck over a few more people in the meantime :(.
If they really cared, they would change it now.
 
Last night, on Facebook, I watched the messages as someone attempted suicide online as a result of this government’s demonisation of the disabled and withdrawal of the meagre benefits they need to survive. He had given up the struggle.

Fortunately, the rest of the group rallied round and were able to intervene. This morning I have learned that he’s in hospital, but not out of danger. If not for the compassion and concern of strangers, he would be dead by now.
While the world recoils at the horror of the Boston bombings, a much greater horror is taking place in the UK as thousands of genuinely disabled people die, quietly and unnoticed, one at a time in their own homes or in hospitals. Their conditions worsen under the stress of fighting for the benefits they were guaranteed but are now denied and their illness overcomes them. Many have committed suicide.
What kind of society have we become, where we turn our collective backs on those most in need of help? Where we believe the fable that those on benefits are all worthless scroungers? It’s not just the Government – it’s also this society that supports the Government’s misinformation and turns on the helpless, believing that compassion applies only to their own family and friends.
Wake up, Britain. We are exterminating the disabled, not through gas chambers and execution squads, but through despair and desperation. Each life is snuffed out in quiet corners across the country, unknown and unregarded, but each is an individual with friends and family, just like you.
Tony Johnson, Scarborough, North Yorkshire
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Letter in Independent
 
A friend is writing a business management course and asked for examples of league tables to show how destructive they are. I suggested the recent story on the DWP's denial that they have league tables followed by the leaks of e-mails showing that they .... have league tables.

I'd suggested an introduction of something like: "With 2.5 million unemployed, and the government allowing the rich to systematically hide their money away in tax havens, we have poor sick peoples’ benefits being stopped for reasons which can only be called fraudulent.

"Thousands of sick or disabled people have died after undergoing assessments to find out whether they were fit to work, the House of Commons was told today. Atos, the firm contracted to conduct work capability assessment (WCA) tests for the Government, was condemned by MPs for “ruthlessly” pressurising sick and disabled people into returning to their jobs. The debate was told of cases of people who had committed suicide after being stripped of their benefits under the process and of an incontinence sufferer who was told she could return to work wearing a nappy." (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-disabled-into-returning-to-work-8456447.html)

I doubt whether he'll go with that, but his introduction includes this which I feel is downright misleading: "Many believe there is a long history of fraudulent claims for benefit, and the DWP are currently engaged in attempting to reduce the resulting loss to the Exchequer. "

I'll swear I've seen figures comparing e.g. sickness benefit fraud (DWP figures) versus tax and other fraud. Anyone know where I can lay my hands on them easily?

Ta :)
 
 
panpete said:
That's dark as well.
I actually said a few years ago to someone, "It's not about getting people into work, it's about getting them off benefits" and I was called something like paranoid.
It seems that a lot of the paranoid stuff i said a few years ago, is coming true and that is just freaky.
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I am starting to feel more and more paranoid if I try to discuss this stuff with someone who has not been there.
Not saying that no one can understand if they haven't been there but the looks that people give me when I talk about this stuff is really off putting.
It's a kinda "oh I know it's really hard for you but you're a bit obsessed and it can't be as bad and malicious as you are making out" kinda look :mad:

When you have MH problems, the last thing you need is being made to feel you are extra paranoid too.
 
kittyP said:
I am starting to feel more and more paranoid if I try to discuss this stuff with someone who has not been there.
Not saying that no one can understand if they haven't been there but the looks that people give me when I talk about this stuff is really off putting.
It's a kinda "oh I know it's really hard for you but you're a bit obsessed and it can't be as bad and malicious as you are making out" kinda look :mad:

When you have MH problems, the last thing you need is being made to feel you are extra paranoid too.
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Well, now the tyranny is getting more publicity, thankfully, although, seemingly more in Scotland than in England.
I don't think it is even about cutting money, I think it is about government, reducing the quality of life in a section of society.
Don't let them reduce our quality of life, keep your loved ones around you, and your closest friends also, as that is what matters.
 
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