Libya - civil unrest & now NATO involvement
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elbows
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I think its a big mistake to think that Gaddafi is riding high at the moment. He has demonstrated survival power over many decades, and in recent weeks, but that does not mean he is safe this time. I suspect he will be gone at some point in the coming weeks or months.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
he may be, but he's got a tidy pile of chips to play with.
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
yeah he's sitting on a lake of oil he can't sell
Latin America, Africa, Russia and China aren't on your side...
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
He's probably set aside enough for his retirement . . .
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Actually that is exactly what we did do with the stop the war campaign. We said Saddam is a cunt who deserves to fall at the hands of his own people, not by invasion. What we didn't say was "support Saddam Hussein. He's great" If we had the opposition to the war would have consisted of half a dozen ageing Stalinists, yourself and Ern. In fact the accusation that opposition to the invasion of Iraq automatically signalled support for Saddam, is a smear used by the right.
Or did you think 2 million people marched against the invasion of Iraq because they supported Saddam? You weren't that solitary bloke with the dog carrying the "I heart Saddam" Banner at the end of the march were you? You know, the bloke with stains on his pants who everyone avoided?
Are you going to tell us about the thousand + Palestinians that Gaddafi dumped in the desert now?
He's attacking people of color now. Why aren't you attacking Jim Davidson too?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Here's one for you Ern
You must be so proud
(did Saif pay Jim Davidson a million quid for 4 jokes too? )
Your latent racism laid bare.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
My my Ern, what would Stalin think of your anti imperialist heroes indulging themselves in oysters and champagne parties with million pound popstars? Oh how decadent. How thoroughly bourgeois.
Anarchostalinists have no heroes, fool.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Ayn Rand:
"Society will never buy into that tripe!! I am an anarcho individualist and I see that as being the worst thing that could happen to anarchism."
Joseph Stalin
"In reply Ayn, I believe that this could potentially work. That is solely because my name is in the title. Other than that it won't work. This is because the people of Russia are too used to getting fukced over by oligarchs and they wouldn't know what to do if that stopped!! On the other hand Ayn your anarchist views are so disillusioned that I want to bite your head off, and I shall order someone to do so."
You're radio rental chief, lay off the draw.
Spion
I hear ya
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Shoot me tanky
That didn't really work too well though, did it?
It's just not a very good idea to be echoing the West's propaganda at the moment, even if some of that propaganda is true. It lends credibility to the war.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
that war you never stopped ? Sell many papers ?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
It got 2 million people onto the streets. How many do you think a campaign based on uncritical support for Saddam would have got?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Did you? I bet " We love Saddam Hussein" was a real best seller wasn't it.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
Who is echoing the West's propaganda? Who was the first person on this thread to state that there are no mercenaries in Libya? Me!
Who was the first person to state that the rebels were killing black people? Me.
Who has pointed out, time and time and time again the double standards and hypocricy of the West? Me
Who has posted news articles that I suspect are blatant propaganda such as the appalling piece quoting Libyans as claiming to be happy their families are being bombed? Me. (an article that you defended Phil.
Propaganda? I have consistantly opposed this war I do so without slavishly supporting a vile dictatorship. The fact is Phil, I know that you actually agree with the criticisms I have aimed at Gaddafi. Which just makes your siding with lunatic stalinists and fake anti imperialists all the more puzzling. Propaganda? How about simply telling the truth?
I tell the truth. It seems to work for me.
TruXta
tired
I actually need to up my b-p, so I'm happy for ern and cas to continue making fools of themselves.
It just seems to me that you're missing the point.
The point is that the West is attempting to plunge the entire middle east into chaos (OK we can disagree about whether it's intentional, but that is what's happening). But of course it claims that it is actually trying to save the people of the ME from mad dictators. For opponents of the war to spend time denouncing the mad dictators is playing into the hands of the propagandists. It lends credibility to their claims.
Much as I respect your intelligence and knowledge, I think you misread the Middle East quite often. I think you were wrong when you saw the protests in Iran as a people's uprising too.
I did, yes. The New York Times has many faults, but its reporters don't make things up. There was a case about five years ago of a NYT reporter who was caught filing made-up stories, and they spent about six months printing retractions. It was a major news story, because it was so unusual. They'll certainly spin the facts and may even report them selectively, but they don't straight-up lie.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
There are many truths!
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
This is what anti imperialism looks like to Casually red.
Firstly Id be a bigger fan of hers
secondly in the little RURAL corner of the world where Im from anti imperialism actually looks like this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army_arms_importation#Libyan_arms
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