Libya - civil unrest & now NATO involvement

[Spion]

Some very cogent analysis from Mike Marqusee here:

http://www.mikemarqusee.com/?p=1156

Yeah, pretty much on the money that

 

[London_Calling]

It's Drop the Dead Donkey meets Carry On - and that's just Sky News.

Loving the Mad Max theme in the trucks.

 

[Greebozz]

It's funny that look like the pacifists on this board have finally developed a taste for blood. Everything I am told about what's really going in the middle east politically, just seems double talk on top of more double talk. The UK being manipulated yet again by the Arabs.

 

[sunny jim]

Originally Posted by Jeff Robinson
Some very cogent analysis from Mike Marqusee here:

http://www.mikemarqusee.com/?p=1156

Bang on

 

[Divisive Cotton]

100's from Darnah, one the largest contingents from anywhere.

Where are you getting this information from?

 

[Divisive Cotton]

The UK being manipulated yet again by the Arabs.

fuck off you racist prick

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Yeah, pretty much on the money that

I agree Good article.

 

[Spion]

Where are you getting this information from?

S/he watched Newsnight last night

 

[Divisive Cotton]

I watch it later. It's not the iPlayer yet

 

[Divisive Cotton]

There's a Time magazine article on Moussa Kusa here

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2062329,00.html?xid=fbshare

I wonder if at the moment he is negotiating a retirement package in exchange for full cooperation

 

[sunny jim]

Where are you getting this information from?

It was on newsnight tuesday night. Probs on i-player

 

[Lo Siento.]

There's a Time magazine article on Moussa Kusa here

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2062329,00.html?xid=fbshare

I wonder if at the moment he is negotiating a retirement package in exchange for full cooperation

He knew that the Allies weren't gonna give up until Gadaffi's been deposed. Lots of other people with Gadaffi must know it too, which makes it remarkable how shite the rebels are doing.

 

[London_Calling]

Ah yes, "The Allies" . . . Carries a certain loaded quality doesn't it. Ideal for the emotionally invested.


Might go with 'Coalition of the Drilling'.

 

[sunny jim]

Here's a good article
http://www.nolanchart.com/article8465.html

 

[DownwardDog]

Meanwhile even better news is Ghadaffis chaps have been gleefully sporting these bad boys , the brand spanking new Igla 24 surface to air missile making any helicopter or gunship supported western invasion - where they have to come down much lower than the 20,000 feet theyre currently skulking at , a decidedly more fraught affair .

they can be shoulder launched too and are even more deadly than the much vaunted stinger . Western aircraft cant jam them . The western powers have been cracking up since they found out Libya has them and are desperately trying to trace who brokered them .

The Libyans got their Igla-S/SA-24 Grinch systems from КБ Машиностроения in Kolomna. Presumably at the behest of the Russian government who will be desperate to showcase some their defence products in a context other than it getting utterly pwned.

The Libyan Igla-S cannot be used as a MANPAD (shoulder launched) and is susceptible to IR countermeasures. The manufacturer's own documents refer to a reduced pk in the presence of flares.

 

[Greebozz]

fuck off you racist prick

Isn't that rather racist against racists lol. I don't mind rudeness, but moronic rudeness means you are straight on my ignore list. I've reported you to the moderatoras well.

 

[invisibleplanet]

Some very cogent analysis from Mike Marqusee here:

http://www.mikemarqusee.com/?p=1156

Excellent analysis. Thanks for that.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

Isn't that rather racist against racists lol. I don't mind rudeness, but moronic rudeness means you are straight on my ignore list. I've reported you to the moderatoras well.

grass

 

[sunny jim]

grass

 

[Divisive Cotton]

A conflict wouldn't be a conflict without an online petition: http://www.change.org/petitions/shut-down-gaddafi-state-tv#?opt_new=t&opt_fb=f

 

[dylans]

Isn't that rather racist against racists lol. I don't mind rudeness, but moronic rudeness means you are straight on my ignore list. I've reported you to the moderatoras well.

Fuck off you racist prick

 

[Greebozz]

Would you rather I challenged him to a duel?

 

[Greebozz]

Fuck off you racist prick

keep it coming, I can find out who all the arseholes are in one go.

 

[DownwardDog]

It's Drop the Dead Donkey meets Carry On - and that's just Sky News.

Loving the Mad Max theme in the trucks.

More Scrapheap Challenge lulz from the rebs here:

I've got a Toyota Hi-Lux and was just thinking that the one thing it really needs installing on it is a UB-16-57UMP rocket launcher from a MiG-23 painted like an easter egg.

 

[sunny jim]

keep it coming, I can find out who all the arseholes are in one go.

Dylan is blatantly not an arsehole

 

[sunny jim]

Dylans *

 

[weltweit]

http://www.mikemarqusee.com/?p=1156

Could have been written by dylans! the same impotent liberal handwringing!! [1]

However it raises the same questions, if western intervention or lack of it was incorrect in other places at other times does not make it the wrong thing in this case. And Mike stresses Oil more than a few times, Gaddafi only controls 2% of oil, hardly significant, hardly enough to get into a war about.



[1] no offence intended dylans

 

[Lo Siento.]

http://www.mikemarqusee.com/?p=1156

Could have been written by dylans! the same impotent liberal handwringing!! [1]

However it raises the same questions, if western intervention or lack of it was incorrect in other places at other times does not make it the wrong thing in this case. And Mike stresses Oil more than a few times, Gaddafi only controls 2% of oil, hardly significant, hardly enough to get into a war about.

[1] no offence intended dylans

The point he's making is that the history of western intervention indicates the likely reality of this one, and that the motivation for intervention and the means by which it takes place inevitably creates the outcome. We're not dealing with a hypothetical, disinterested, humanitarian intervention by neutral powers, but with a real intervention by real actors with concrete interests. Many people talk about the first fantasy rather than the ugly reality of the second.

 

[teqniq]

More Scrapheap Challenge lulz from the rebs here:

I've got a Toyota Hi-Lux and was just thinking that the one thing it really needs installing on it is a UB-16-57UMP rocket launcher from a MiG-23 painted like an easter egg.

definitely Mad Max and a guy arc welding without a decent flash mask.

 

[dylans]

http://www.mikemarqusee.com/?p=1156

Could have been written by dylans! the same impotent liberal handwringing!! [1]

However it raises the same questions, if western intervention or lack of it was incorrect in other places at other times does not make it the wrong thing in this case. And Mike stresses Oil more than a few times, Gaddafi only controls 2% of oil, hardly significant, hardly enough to get into a war about.



[1] no offence intended dylans

None taken. In fact I will take it as a compliment.(except for the "liberal" label) It's an excellent article.