Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Looks like my speculation had something to it then, the SAS thing a couple weeks back provided a cover for insertion of multiple teams...
Libya - civil unrest & now NATO involvement
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quimcunx
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Not to say it isn't a 'calculated regime change operation' but they can easily say that if a NFZ was a possibility (and IIRC Cameron publicly supported that fairly early on) then being prepared for that is just sensible
e2a: Way back when the SAS people were in the news I posted a quote from U75's most quoted paper, the Daily Mail, where the farm worker who captured them said something along the lines of '..Tim the British farm adminstrator who had been there 5 months...' I recall my reaction was 'eh, wut?' but don't remember any further mention of it and questioned that it might be DM's shonky reporting.
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
So, when the UN met to talk about the Israeli army incursion into Gaza a year or so back, did they insert SAS teams around Tel Aviv?
Sorry, only joking, please ignore...
elbows
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I cant tell you which day the decision was made, but there have been clear signs that preparation has been going on for weeks. The French actions at the start yesterday may have been reasonably spontaneous for all we know.
Certainly it has become a calculated regime change operation, that can likely be traced back as far as the period when the news went crazy about Gaddafi's planes killing civilians, many diplomat defections occurred, UK started its no-fly-zone rhetoric and the UN quickly passed the first resolution.
The bone of contention is regarding the period before this. ie was the entire uprising & ousting of Gaddafi planned from the very start, or has it rapidly evolved to take advantage of the situation once the Benghazi stuff had already happened. Both possibilities seem well plausible.
Certainly I doubt we had been planning to get rid of Gaddafi for years, but once things happened in Egypt and Bahrain its possible that a variety of powers might have come up with this stuff as part of 'managing' the regional situation as a whole.
elbows
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But personally I still think its reasonable to think that the initial uprising was not of our design, though would not bet my life on it.
Anyway well before the new UN resolution was passed Gaddafi would have known things were in the making, increased military activity in the airspace near to Libya was noticeable from publicly available info, and he would have known more than that. There will also have been PSYOP activities directed at Libya from the likes of the USA via several different means, and we have little clue as to the exact nature of these.
The rumours are now coming in about Gaddafi & sons whereabouts, unsurprisingly that they have gone elsewhere in the country.
Anyway well before the new UN resolution was passed Gaddafi would have known things were in the making, increased military activity in the airspace near to Libya was noticeable from publicly available info, and he would have known more than that. There will also have been PSYOP activities directed at Libya from the likes of the USA via several different means, and we have little clue as to the exact nature of these.
The rumours are now coming in about Gaddafi & sons whereabouts, unsurprisingly that they have gone elsewhere in the country.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
why bother having a Parliament if the PM in a coalition can do as he likes?
Yet again Fidel called it right weeks ago.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
What did he say?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
No he didn't. Fidel used the possibility of intervention as an excuse to stand by his friend Gaddafi and oppose a popular uprising. Opposing Western intervention in Libya doesn't mean standing with a vicious reactionary dictatorship anymore than opposing the invasion of Iraq meant supporting Saddam Hussein. I wish to see Gaddafi gone but at the hands of his own people not NATO.
Idaho
blah blah blah
So far this is just journalists making stories.
While I have been completely opposed to the various foreign adventures of the west over the last decade, I remain optimistic about this one. I think Libya has many things in its favor for this kind of meddling.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Very sad situation now. Whatever happens, the power has been taken out of the hands of the Libyan people. Yet another war between two sides armed by the same munitions factories. 
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
Id say this is doomed to failure.
You read that wrong yet again Dylan.
Barking_Mad
Non sibi sed omnibus
I just watched ITV news, a 'hospital worker' said via the phone that not a single civilian had been brought to the hospital.
Handy that.
Handy that.
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Same question from me. I missed it.
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
I'm beginning to think the same...
elbows
Well-Known Member
BBC news tv reports already suggesting that the mood in Tripoli has changed, that people have become more angry today. No great surprise there, the only question is whether such feelings about the bombing eliminate every trace of anti-regime sentiment in the capital. Given that such stuff has been hard to witness at the best of times, we may struggle to find out.
Blitz Spirit.
elbows
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This is said to be a US transmission warning Libyan ship not to leave port:
http://audioboo.fm/boos/307814-usaf-ec-130j-steel-74-transmitting-on-6877-0-khz-libya-20-march-2011
http://audioboo.fm/boos/307814-usaf-ec-130j-steel-74-transmitting-on-6877-0-khz-libya-20-march-2011
weltweit
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I heard somewhere today that because the UN resolution is about defending civilians from attack, Gaddafi himself is not a target, his forces are. Possibly it would have been impossible to get so much diplomatic and military support if decapitation had been in the aims.
If you think about it though, one single weapon that killed just Gaddafi alone could be the greatest defence to civilians, could result in the fewest casualties of all options, collateral and otherwise, and could bring about an end to it all in one step.
Just a thought.
If you think about it though, one single weapon that killed just Gaddafi alone could be the greatest defence to civilians, could result in the fewest casualties of all options, collateral and otherwise, and could bring about an end to it all in one step.
Just a thought.
audiotech
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'Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya: beware the lies of March.'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/20/libya-iraq
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/mar/20/libya-iraq
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
AJE info bar at bottom of screen just had "Shite House says..." for a few secs. Corrected now...
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Anudder Oik
heinous pointless bellend/fucking gobshite muppet
The name of March comes from ancient Rome, when March was the first month of the year and named Martius after Mars, the Roman god of war.
mauvais
on reddit or something
mGraun: Pacifists and the culturally awake are united in protest tonight after leaked documents reveal that a large proportion of the war's logistics & planning has been quietly subcontracted to US pornographer Michael Bay.
Footage released earlier today showed a generic car park being destroyed in what was described by fatigued eyewitnesses as an 'unnecessarily slow fireball'. China and Russia joined in with their own criticism, complaining that it could have at least been at fucking sunset like they were promised.
Fighting soon spread and quickly took in local Libyan landmarks such as the Pyramids, Sydney Opera House and the Moon. However it is not thought that today's revelations will deliver any long term deeper meaning with regard to the wider anything.
Spokesmodel Megan Fox was unavailable for comment.
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